Clues about Banjo-Threeie in the Christmas card?

[AkoCham]

After looking at the scribes that just came out today, it noted: "Anyway, there's always this year's Xmas card for fresh Banjo speculation. Because you've got to speculate to accumulate! Whatever that means."

This is an obvious hint that there are some facts about Banjo-Threeie hidden somewhere in this card. So I figured I would make a speculation thread to see what we can come up with.

Here is a link to the pic:

http://www.rarewitchproject.com/images/rare/rare_xmas_2007.jpg

My guess is that the presents that Banjo and Kazooie are receiving tie in with the new theme of the game. What are your thoughts?

[Bottles98]

As I said, the gadgets around Banjo may have something to do with this new gameplay mechanic...I think that would be interesting.

[Shimrod]

Yeah, I also think that these devices are part of the new game mechanics.
Especially as it was pointed out that the duo lost most of their moves. I guess these contraptions or possibly combinations of devices are the new "moves".

And according to the new Scribes the game doesn't take place on the Isle of Hags but Spiral Mountain will be included (although serving another purpose than in the previous games). Hmm, lots to think about...

[Gaming Master2k]

If you ask me:

Banjo is holding a grenade. No more grenade eggs but grenades are making a return.

Next to the chair is a water container. I'm thinking something like a water squirter is going to be obtained.

Kazooie is holding either Mumbo's actual staff or else the RWP is right and it's a redesigned Mumbo token.

The egg container is what I think you pick up to fuel your egg supplies. Looks like normal eggs will return.

There's something behind the chair, I think it might only be a bee hive.

That's just what I think...

[Bottles98]

Only problem I have with your theories is the thing behind them being a beehive...looks like just a machine of some sort.

[Monkey Boy 64]

Robot beehive army?

[Klungo]

Hey guys, one of the stockings says KI3. Could it mean Killer Instinct 3?

[Bottles98]

It means they're making fun of the Killer Instinct fans :p KI3 is one game they are CONSTANTLY bugged to make.

[AkoCham]

Yes the KI3 definitely means Killer Instinct 3 but I think its just a tease. These are all probable theories but I wonder what the point of Kazooie will be if they include machines for Banjo to use. Also, there seems to be a fiery bird in the fireplace. Who knows what that is supposed to indicate? And I wonder if this game is a prequel because it was stated in the Scribes that Banjo and Kazooie do not know any of the moves from last games which makes me believe that they either have amnesia or its based in the past.

Someone also made a good suggestion about the overall message of the card. They said that the Viva Pinatas are being rewarded with presents of video games and such but Banjo and Kazooie look sad with their gifts because its supposed to indicate the tools they need for the hard work they are about to endure.

[Donkey Kong]

I see the grunty stocking and the grunty painting...

That's all I see that's interesting. I did notice the water cannon thing and it reminded me of Super Mario Sunshine.

[AkoCham]

Actually I think I just noticed something. After trying to make up the shape that people are labeling a "fiery bird" I noticed something a little different. I think it almost kinda looks like Grunty is burning. If you look directly to the right of Horstachios game case, it looks alot like Grunty's eye. You can then kind of make out her witch hat from there. Could that be Grunty spying on them?

[Hopalongtom]

You'd think Banjo would know by now how uncomfortable it is to sit in a chair with a backpack on.

Although its probably worse for Kazooie!

[DeLMrcs]

Actually I think I just noticed something. After trying to make up the shape that people are labeling a "fiery bird" I noticed something a little different. I think it almost kinda looks like Grunty is burning. If you look directly to the right of Horstachios game case, it looks alot like Grunty's eye. You can then kind of make out her witch hat from there. Could that be Grunty spying on them?

This sounds good, though the beak doesn't have the round part of the hat and the eye looks as if it's vertical with the beak, whereas it would be facing horizontally if it were grunty.

[Mandy]

It does look like Grunty's eye. I thought it could have been her nose rather than a hat. I'm not sure now, it's a bit too long. I think it looks like a fiery angry Kazooie.

[Bottles98]

It's definitely a bird of some kind...wonder what it's foreshadowing.

[AndyNPC]

BK look pretty disapointed with there gifts. I guess I would be too if I got a strange yellow orbish air compresser like object. Looks like it would be a very practical, unfun, tool that is required for some kind of difficult trial filled with danger and what not.

I just hope i'm wrong about the unfun part.

[Shimrod]

It's definitely a bird of some kind...wonder what it's foreshadowing.

With that straight, angular beak, it might be old, discarded Kazooie design, that's burning there :)

[Avarice]

I think everyone is reading into this picture WAY too much.

[Cheezdoodles]

I think the thing Banjo is holding looks like a crown... And Kazooie's gift looks like a cepter or a key...
PLZ NO SHREK 3!!!!!

[DemyGod]

That is defintly a fire bird of some type. You can clearly see the beak if you zoom in. There must be other small little things in this card if we found some weird bird.

[Mandy]

I think everyone is reading into this picture WAY too much.

That's exactly what we're supposed to do, we were told clues will be in the Christmas card. Plus...that's what we do here anyway ;)

[Rickwakefan123]

I think the item Banjo's holding is King Jingalings crown, but in the Scribes thing it said there would be no Isle of Hags...Hmm

[Banjo-Fella]

There's absolutely no way that thing in the fire is a bird. I refuse to believe it, based on how that triangular shape is much more like a nose than a beak, and how there's already plenty of birds to be having with in the picture anyway. It's clearly Grunty's long-severed head, roasting it up. You can even see her hair being burnt! :p

So anyway, where are they? Just a generic location, or could it be Banjo and Kazooie's house? They really scaled it up in that initial trailer, so there's no reason why this couldn't be a newer, rebuilt iteration of their old home. The jiggy wallpaper's a good indication, isn't it?

[mrfleshcadge]

Well in my opinion, if you look closely at the fire it looks like a castle with a path leading to it. But on the other hand it does just look like fire, like its supposed to.

[Mr.Patch]

I can't tell what Kazooie is holding looks like a flower of some kind...

[Rickwakefan123]

Its not a flower its a torch. I think it may be referring to fire breathing Kazooie or something like that. I also think that the egg-carton looking object is actually a container for either honeycombs or jiggey's, in fact I'm almost positive. And the object by Banjo's chair looks alot like Weldar, or at least it reminds me of him. Does anyone know what the shiny object behind his chair is?

[Ice Mario]

I think the item Banjo's holding is King Jingalings crown, but in the Scribes thing it said there would be no Isle of Hags...Hmm

That was my initial thoughts, but upon inspection, Jingalings crown looks nothing like that.

[wkw427]

Lines. There are LINES!@!@@
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/3623/rarexmas2007vu6.jpg

1. Grunty is pointing to the fire, which has a bird that looks like Kazooie. It can possibly be a bad bad guy, who Grunty wants dead, or her minion.

2. The fire bird is looking at Banjo, or what hes holding.

3. Kazooie is looking down to the gift of possibly the shower head thingy.

It looks like Kazooie has a key. Banjo has a sphere. Both are pretty pissed at them. Key? Then the other is an egg. It is showing that they are sick and tiref of the eggs and key!

[Shimrod]

it might not be.
this is a theorie:
grunty picture without head rare cant make good head or are thinking for new designs it might be a shadow gost in the fire or gruntys head it looks like it wants the device banjo is holding while i think kazooie has a kay that will go to the shower thingy.
is this good enouth

Yeah, enough. Please stop, my eyes are already bleeding.

[firealpha]

I can see the bird and Grunty both being possibilities for that thing in the fire.

Who's to say it isn't made to be ambiguous, and it is both? Kinda like that two men or a vase thing.

[Banjoman]

With that straight, angular beak, it might be old, discarded Kazooie design, that's burning there :)
It's Grunty's Skull!

[Banjoman]

With a beak? :(
The "beak" is her nose!

[Bottles98]

Her nose is not beak-like.

[Banjoman]

Her nose is not beak-like.
Her nose was pretty pointy in Tooie. She is a skull afterall. Plus, Banjo wasn't blocky back then, this could be Grunty's new design.

[Bottles98]

I still say it looks nothing like Grunty...

I mean, Banjo and Kazooie's new designs LOOK like B&K. I would assume the other characters would follow that.

[Theguyoverthere]

Anyone wanna start guessing as to what the hidden stocking says?

[Bottles98]

Anyone wanna start guessing as to what the hidden stocking says?
It is apparently a bad word that starts with "C" and ends with "t." ;)

[wkw427]

Anyone wanna start guessing as to what the hidden stocking says?

C**t :approve:

[Fiver]

I think the "fire bird" is Grunty without her hat. The "beak" is her nose. Birds' beaks has holes for their nostrils. This one has a round bit at the base, indicating human nostrils.

The only evidence I can see for it being a bird is that the nose looks like it's separate from the face. Other than that, it's definitely Grunty.

EDIT: Here's a pic of the evidence:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v416/Bobomb/random/grunty_bird.jpg

[AkoCham]

http://www.fond-ecran.com/ORIGINAUX/jeux/banjo_tooie/banjo_tooie_015.jpg

For those naysayers who say that it is not Grunty because of the Beak nose look at this pic of Grunty in skull form. The shape is exactly the same but the nose is longer in the christmas card. An exaggeration on the artist's part if you ask me.

[Avarice]

Anyone wanna start guessing as to what the hidden stocking says?

I'm tired of Rare's innuendos and stuff. Seriously Rare, they are not funny anymore.

[Bottles98]

I guess it must be...it just doesn't make much sense. Why is she in the fire on Christmas Day with Banjo looking all emo? If she was burning in the fire, shouldn't he be happy? :p

Oh the questions...

[Fiver]

http://www.fond-ecran.com/ORIGINAUX/jeux/banjo_tooie/banjo_tooie_015.jpg

For those naysayers who say that it is not Grunty because of the Beak nose look at this pic of Grunty in skull form. The shape is exactly the same but the nose is longer in the christmas card. An exaggeration on the artist's part if you ask me.
Ooh, does anyone happen to have that pic in a larger resolution?

[Monkey Boy 64]

I don't see ANYTHING inside the fire except the eye.

[DeLMrcs]

Notice what's funny though, in the portrait of Gruntilda her head is not shown, but she's pointing to the "bird" (not sure if it's intentional) and now that I look at it more, it does resemble grunty's head a bit more... probably just a joke from rare though.

[Qwazin]

Oh I love this. It's like a treasure hunt. It's like Beatles' "Paul is Dead" rumor, except now it's "Grunty is Dead".
I also belived that there was a bird in the fire, but at a closer look you can kinda make out Grunty's chin (it's hard to see because theres objects in the way) underneath the "beak", wich IS her nose, I belive, only it is lit in a very odd way. As for her mood, she looks pissed, and heck, I'd be pissed if I was thrown into a fire.
It would make sense actually if the headless picture of Grunty would be pointing at her head. Normally I'd think it's a bit of over-analytic thought, but Rare actually encouraged us to speculate this pic, so... yeah.

As for the various presents Banjo and Kazooie recive, these things make me very excited about what B-K3 has to offer. Hopefully it'll be a very neat and entertaining use of gadgets in videogames. (And hopefully not a "'Bazooie's Mansion', for Nintendo Gamecube")

[Fiver]

I think Grunty isn't actually being roasted, but spying on them. I know Rare would be ripping off Harry Potter if that were the case, but they're allowed to make popular media references, right? She's using the fire as a magical camera, of sorts.

[Bottles98]

I was about to suggest just that but found it a bit farfetched...

but who knows, eh?

[AndyNPC]

I'm pretty sure Banjo is sad because he got a strange orb thing instead of some fun new game developed by Rare.

I say the fire is more likely to be Grunty if anything.

How are we sure that stocking isn't just a hidden shout out to Mr. Pants? ;)

[Rickwakefan123]

Grunty's head in the fire would make sense because if you remember at the end of Tooie they were kicking her head around.

[Koopaboy]

There can be Grunty's head in the fire.If you look at the eye that is hidden behind the nose or whatever that is,it looks like it's and empty eyehole.And that thing behind Banjo looks like som kind of life support system or some thing into which that water device connects....dunno

[AkoCham]

Grunty's head in the fire would make sense because if you remember at the end of Tooie they were kicking her head around.

Well at the same time this is just a Christmas card and it shouldn't be an indication of the story in BK3. If anything, I think it is just a joke from Rare since the picture of the headless Grunty is pointing to what is potentially her head.

[Hylian1]

None of it is a joke this time AkoCham. Rare specifically had this card made to peak our interest on what the game's plot is going to be. Hence the reason why Rare wants us to 'tear it apart'.

I completely agree about that being Grunty's head in the fire. Makes perfect sense.

Am I the only one who thinks that thing in the bottom right corner looks like the top of the Sandcastle from Treasure Trove Cove? Or, quite possibly, an egg carton? That thing has Stop N Swop written all over it. :P

[bobbond]

Am I the only one who thinks that thing in the bottom right corner looks like the top of the Sandcastle from Treasure Trove Cove? Or, quite possibly, an egg carton? That thing has Stop N Swop written all over it. :P

Yeah I thought it looked like a sandcastle too. And that water thing next to it looks like it could be some kind of a gadget which the game uses. It looks like it has a shower head on it which sprays out the water.

I think there could be a fire/water thing in the game with the fire and that water gadget. It looks like a firey Kazooie to me in the fire.

It definitely an eye in the fire - you can see it has a little white dot on it like Banjo's and Kazooies eyes. You can almost make out another eye the other side of the 'beak' which makes it look like Kazooie

[wkw427]

I found her head and chin
http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/5709/rarexmas2007cq7.jpg

[Hylian1]

Someone already did one of those whyme. And a much better job at it too (no offense). Thanks though.

[Theguyoverthere]

Wait, wait, wait, wait. How does a lone skull have hair?

[FroggerH8zU]

Wow, I'm over speculating. For a second I thought "Kaz" had a hidden meaning.

[AkoCham]

None of it is a joke this time AkoCham. Rare specifically had this card made to peak our interest on what the game's plot is going to be. Hence the reason why Rare wants us to 'tear it apart'.

I completely agree about that being Grunty's head in the fire. Makes perfect sense.

Am I the only one who thinks that thing in the bottom right corner looks like the top of the Sandcastle from Treasure Trove Cove? Or, quite possibly, an egg carton? That thing has Stop N Swop written all over it. :P

Where did they say that? All I can find on them about this card is(from Scribes):

"Anyway, there's always this year's Xmas card for fresh Banjo speculation. Because you've got to speculate to accumulate! Whatever that means."

and

"How about this for Banjo information? 'There are no green monsters in the Isle of Hags and there is no Isle of Hags.' OK, perhaps that wasn't much. So take a look at Rare's festive greetings card for a real sneak preview and speculation starter. Oh, and you might be interested to know that Banjo and Kazooie haven't got many of the abilities that they used in previous games. Now that's confused you, hasn't it?"

None of these quotes indicate that any of the plot of the game is hinted at in the card. While it also doesn't deny any references to BK3's plot I doubt Rare would include such details in a Christmas card shared with Pinatas.

[Mandy]

Look out for Rare's latest version of Scribes (before Xmas if Leigh gets a move on) and our Xmas card if you want a little more information than has currently been given out...

This too

[Hylian1]

The Christmas card is there to give us insight on what the game is going to be about without Rare actually telling us. To leave us guessing until the time comes for them to fill us in on the information we so desperately desire.

[Bottles98]

You know, with what's been happening recently (especially the 12 questions thing), we may start getting an influx information by early next year.

[Lemmiwinks]

Hey, was that supposedly leaked concept art for an area called Fearful Future ever discredited? Given the look of some of Banjo and Kazooie's presents, a futuristic theme for the game doesn't seem too farfetched.

[wkw427]

Someone already did one of those whyme. And a much better job at it too (no offense). Thanks though.

where?

[Jinjonator]

Print out the Christmas card. Then look at it through a microscope. If you zoom way in Banjo's present, you'll see a map. This map will lead you to the greatest treasure the world has ever known. Leave it to Rare to do something like that, right?

[wkw427]

Print out the Christmas card. Then look at it through a microscope. If you zoom way in Banjo's present, you'll see a map. This map will lead you to the greatest treasure the world has ever known. Leave it to Rare to do something like that, right?

I don't see anything..

Did you make me waste all that ink?

[Jinjonator]

Get some lemons and some heat. It's an invisible map, you see.

[ElectricKaz]

(FINALLY MY TURN, six pages of people saying the same **** haha)

I can see why people say its grunty but if you look at her "hair" It looks more like feathers. So I say its an old Kazooie design chunked into the fire.

The orb looks like a map or some sort. The stick in Kazooie's mouth has to be Mumbo's Staff.

Banjo/Kazooie look like Pinata's. So does this mean that their new design is because they will be enteracting with the Pinata's in their game?

If the stockings is about dead characters/games. Then Grunty is out. and a new villian is in. that might be who the bird is. I think the Third stocking is "Pants" U can see a N very clearly.

[Hylian1]

It's only 4 letters on the hidden stocking dude. And clearly the bottom half of the last letter is straight like so: | And last i checked, "Pants" isn't the only word that has an N for the third letter.

Gruntilda has been confirmed to be ruturning time and time again. So no, Grunty is not 'out'.

Banjo and Kazooie share a similar art style as Viva Pinata because the concept art is being created by the same person who did Viva Pinata's unique style, Ryan Stevenson. So of course there are similarities.

[Mr.Patch]

Some people say that the fire represents Cinder from KI but I don't see it at all. It really does like as everyone suggested; Grunty

[Monkey Boy 64]

Maybe the thing in the fire is Pinata related, not Banjo related. It looks sorts of pinata-ish to me. Maybe a scrapped bird pinata.

[mgspada]

I took a few liberties, but does this work for anyone at all?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/XL1ska/bk3maybe.jpg

[Hylian1]

That's even better than the first one. :)

Definately Gruntilda's head.

[B-K Nostalgia]

They actually threw us a bone.

I was delightfully surprised to see a Scribes update and a Christmas card. Plus, Rare did say in Scribes that we can speculate on a few hints in the card - so it's not like it's all random nonsense to infuriate us.

Or maybe it is.

We'll see.

[Shimrod]

I took a few liberties, but does this work for anyone at all?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/XL1ska/bk3maybe.jpg

Oh, wow. I would never have made that out on my own. Looks very much like Grunty's head burning in there. Which is the appropriate way to handle witch heads as everybody knows :)

I have to say though that I don't like the look of the head - the nose is way too straight, it really look like a bird's beak.

Great find!!

[AkoCham]

Very nice job mgspada! After seeing that there is no way that the thing in the fire place is not Grunty. All this speculation is making me crave more Banjo info. Hopefully Gregg will be kind enough to answer those 12 questions soon.

[bobbond]

I still think it looks like a fiery Kazooie, this is what I see compared to the Grunty one:

http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bk3uf4.jpg

[SubDrag]

I don't get it. Why is Banjo hanging a picture of Grunty up top? Are they now friends? Is she dead?

[Tanjo]

She's been dead for 9 years Sub :)

[SubDrag]

Is Kazooie's new nickname Kaz? I don't think Grunty ever really died. I mean she was in the ground for years and then she came alive again. Plus we don't know if it's in the present, though I severely hope so, since BK:GR. Why would Banjo ever have a picture of her up though?

Also, Grunty has a STOCKING. What does that mean? You notice KI3 has a patched stocking. Also, what is the leftmost one.

[Tanjo]

It's just a christmas card, lol. I'm sure it's just a reference to grunty.

[gunsnroses83]

Just a thought
maybe it is grunty since her stocking is pointing directly to the thing in the fire
who knows???
btw this is my first post!!!:)

[Donkey Kong]

Maybe instead of a beak, it's Grunty's jaw? I recall her having a rather pointy face.

BTW: What is that behind Banjo's chair? Is that Grunty's laser? Does that make the thing in Banjo's hand the top of the laser or something?

[Grabythejiggies]

Sigh...
I would like to know how people think its a crown Banjo is holding, it has no pointy bits and is much too round to be placed upon ones head.
If you ask me, its an electrical sort of device...
If we look at the "Prong bits" which are yellow and located at the top of the device, these are electrical prongs for outlets, such as this one here:

http://www.jalexelectrical.com/image/533406.jpeg

Surrounding that is a more complex plug, which looks like a 6 A 3P+E 400 V plug as shown here:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e0/16A-3P-Plug.jpg/150px-16A-3P-Plug.jpg

We also see some "Artistic License" in the work as well, since different lights and such are not needed to make the device function, such as the lights surrounding the look-alike 6 A 3P+E 400 V plug.

The final note is that the green "orb" looks something like a lightbulb. This is furthur evidenced from the screw base, which you can find on lightbulbs if you look at the bottom:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b4/Gluehlampe_01_KMJ.png/100px-Gluehlampe_01_KMJ.png

So, if this device can possibly function, than it is somewhat of a light/plug hybrid.
My assumption is that you would twist the screw base into its own socket at which point you would need to plug the prongs into its own socket.
This would cause the lightbulb to generate light from the screw base, as well as take energy from the socket which has the prongs inserted.

Let's take a brief look at Gruntildas gadgetry past...

In Banjo-Kazooie, Gruntilda has built a machine in which transfers beauty from one subject to another. Note that this machine looks like a teleporting machine.

In Banjo-Tooie, Gruntilda has gained control over B.O.B, a machine which can "Suck" the lifeforce out of any object or "Blow" it to another object.
Note that this machine looks like a giant laser gun.

Now, if the trend were to continue, we can assume that Gruntilda is to gain control of some sort of gadget that will be used for her and only her personal benefit.
If this were the case in the next game, the piece Banjo is holding doesn't look like a gadget itself, but rather an important piece to one.
Perhaps the eyes in this painting tell more of a story than words can describe:

Gruntildas Eye: HIM!? How could HE get his grubby hands on MY beautiful invention!?

Banjo: Gulp...I don't like the looks of this...is Gruntilda coming back?

Kazooie: I'm ready to kick some witch butt, again...

[DeLMrcs]

I still think it looks like a fiery Kazooie, this is what I see compared to the Grunty one:

http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bk3uf4.jpg

The problem with the fiery Kazooie you've labeled is that there is no shape or form to suggest there is a lower beak as you've labeled, and if it was a bird the "chin" is too low for it.

[bobbond]

It could be Grunty in the fire - at the end of Banjo Tooie she loses an eye and there's only 1 eye visible in the fire

[DeLMrcs]

^Too add to that she was only a skull in the end of B-T, and in the card she still is a skull (or a head at least) with her "headless" portrait pointing at it.

[gunsnroses83]

What if the number of ornament things along the fireplace meant the number of worlds (9).
I dont know its just a thought.

[Koopaboy]

What if the number of ornament things along the fireplace meant the number of worlds (9).
I dont know its just a thought.

now this is a little bit extreme don't you think?this is a image from Rare not Da Vinci's Last Supper.I think we are getting a little carried away with all this

[Fox McBanjo]

What if the number of ornament things along the fireplace meant the number of worlds (9).
I dont know its just a thought.


I think your looking too hard. Its a card about Rareware as a whole, not just Banjo. It just wouldn't work like that.

[Hylian1]

He could be right. That's certainly what it could mean. I'm definately not ruling out that possibility.

[Mandy]

Sigh...
I would like to know how people think its a crown Banjo is holding, it has no pointy bits and is much too round to be placed upon ones head.
If you ask me, its an electrical sort of device...
If we look at the "Prong bits" which are yellow and located at the top of the device, these are electrical prongs for outlets, such as this one here:

http://www.jalexelectrical.com/image/533406.jpeg


That's what I noticed, it looks like the device could be plugged into something.

[Cooki-Cooki]

let's see... Rare said that the game wouldn't take place on Isle o' hags...
they also said that there would be hints on the card
thay ARE piñatas on the card
therefore....
OMG BK3 WILL BE ON PIÑATA ISLAND!

[Hylian1]

Indeed (http://www.rarewitchproject.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12608&highlight=banjo+pinata+island) :cool:

But not take place there, but just visit rather.

[DeLMrcs]

let's see... Rare said that the game wouldn't take place on Isle o' hags...
they also said that there would be hints on the card
thay ARE piñatas on the card
therefore....
OMG BK3 WILL BE ON PIÑATA ISLAND!

Knowing Rare it's possible, anyway I find it funny that the RWP has become Wikipedia's BK3 article main source for info, just read the "Christmas Card" section.

Well I think we just literally drained almost everything in the card, but this is all we have and the 12 questions thread, now to just wait for Ghouly Boy to give us the goodies.

[Mandy]

Indeed (http://www.rarewitchproject.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12608&highlight=banjo+pinata+island) :cool:

But not take place there, but just visit rather.

I hope that's true, I would love it <3

[Cooki-Cooki]

Indeed (http://www.rarewitchproject.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12608&highlight=banjo+pinata+island) :cool:

But not take place there, but just visit rather.
and if they don't visit it, it's more than obvious VP will make a cameo.

EDIT: did anyone else noted the strange Van de Graff generator behind the couch?
it also looks like a chewing gum dispenser machine

[repobanjo]

Here's my speculation.

Banjo Threeie will be......Christmas themed. You can applaud me later.

[Banjoman]

What if the number of ornament things along the fireplace meant the number of worlds (9).
I dont know its just a thought.
Hmm! Interesting!

[BloodXP]

Upon zooming in on the Viva Pinata gift opened in the middle of the image, it becomes apparent that it's made for Windows Vista!

Normally this would get me excited, but I think it's just there as a footnote to a few comments made in Scribes about a PC version of Pinata.

[AkoCham]

Im pretty sure that there is, in fact, a Vista version of Viva Pinata coming sometime soon actually. I think it was announced around E3 last year.

[Hylian1]

Viva Pinata PC has been released for over a month now. It's compatible with both Vista and XP.

[Abzville]

If you look closely, you might find that...

( i may be absolutely wrong, so dont take my word as fact :D )

...Kazooie can transform into a pheonix in the next game. She is a bird after all. and a fire tempered one at that

I love the idea that the pinatas r being rewarded, while both B n K r not quite up to their new set task from the look of disapoinment on their faces. This majorly confirms that the game is to take place, if it happens, and they wont like it one bit :D which is good for us.

I also believe Conker may make a debut in the upcoming game, due to the chocolate in the bottom right hand corner...and some pinatas. I may be mistaken, it could be an egg carton as others have suggested.

but possibly some other characters may appear in the game to come just like random pictures in a castle or something like that. or maybe u have to break open a pinata as some crucial part of the game

There will be online multiplayer or something of the sort that allows contact between two remote players, due to the headset the Fudgehog is wearing.

and from that sprinkler-look-a-like device, looks like banjo and kazooie might be cleaning things up for once, rahter than messing them up with eggs.

the bauble does resemble a grenade with its small intricate head piece, and kazooies Mumbo Jumbo staff does look quite cheap, $47.... this means mumbo jumbo is coming back hopefully :).
thats all i got.
tenx

[Koopaboy]

it's not $47...it's Kaz what's written on that card

[AkoCham]

Hmm after thinking about the inclusion of machines and how they will work I came up with a little theory. You know how in Banjo-Tooie there was Mumbo's place for using him and Humba's place for transforming? Well I think in the new game that there will be a new character introduced that will vendor items specific for levels. For instance if you were playing on a fire level, his tent(or store; whatever they decide to put in) will offer items to help you in that specific world(i.e. the hose). This theory also ties in to how the notes, jiggies, or jinjos will play a different role because you will need some kind of currency to obtain them.

Theory sound plausible at all?

[DemyGod]

It looks more like a bird than Grunty IMO. But, it would make more sense of Grunty was in the fire spying on BK. And whoever said it earlier, the picture of Grunty's body IS pointing at the fire which is odd. Im kinda leaning more toward Grunty now, good artwork guys. Your outlines of grunty in the fire helped me see it. :)

[Gage]

Hmm after thinking about the inclusion of machines and how they will work I came up with a little theory. You know how in Banjo-Tooie there was Mumbo's place for using him and Humba's place for transforming? Well I think in the new game that there will be a new character introduced that will vendor items specific for levels. For instance if you were playing on a fire level, his tent(or store; whatever they decide to put in) will offer items to help you in that specific world(i.e. the hose). This theory also ties in to how the notes, jiggies, or jinjos will play a different role because you will need some kind of currency to obtain them.

Theory sound plausible at all?
Actually, I think that sounds extremely plausible. Though, I only think that Notes would be used, since Jinjos and Jiggies really aren't collected in large amounts.

[Shaz]

Poor Banjo,hes upset because Grunty stole his present and replaced it with something thats gonna destroy him !!! :(

[BanjoForever]

I think its a fierce bird and not Grunty reason being is because there is already a frame of Grunty looking like herself again and the bird looks pretty angry for some reason.

[Bottles98]

Well, we know now that that's definitely Grunty in the fire...hmm.

[AkoCham]

YES! For once I made a theory about something that actually turned out to be right!

These 12 questions are getting me so hyped for the game. Especially the bit about how its more than half way done and that there is a new over world hub. Which we can now speculate on.

[BanjoForever]

LoL! Alright maybe its Not an angry bird in the fire!

[Betafinder]

Okay there are about 100 jiggies on the wall paper, also the thing behind banjo's chair is Grunty's B.O.B laser, and banjo appears to be holding a jazzed up egg kazooie is holding a key so is this hinting to stop and Swop?

[shard]

kay heres what im thinkin'. i think that banjo is holding Jingaling's crown, and that kazooie is holding mumbo's wand, the thing behind banjo may be some sort of spring contraption that is used to blast them into the overworld maybe:-/ and the thing that looks like an egg carton is gruntie's new "inpenetrable" fortress. hmm this looks like a good game and i cant wait for more news.


P.S. maybe the water sprayer is used to turn them small and they roam through a small hub world as people as big as mice? may be...:confused::x

[mercapto]

Ok, I'm new and I might have overlooked this being mentioned already...but...

On the card the yellow round thing in the bottom of the pic in the middle has numbers on it.
255.

May 25th ?

DKC2, B-K and PD were all released in May so a releasedate by then would be possible...though the development schedual would make it 2009...unless they don't sleep the coming 5 months :D

And can't those presents Banjo gets be things he doesn't want to have/become...? The waterhose thing from Super Mario Sunshine, the bomb from...uhm...that Daxter game on PS3...
Banjo wants to be Banjo.


Just some random thoughts :)

[DeLMrcs]

You mean the miniature pinata, all I see is 25Y, maybe I need to look harder. It's possible that's the release date, Rare said they're more than halfway done with the game.

[TowerOfTragedy]

I see 25*something*. Don't think it's the release date though...

[Lakitu]

Personally I don't think it's the release date, it's just a simple pattern. We're digging into this picture too much.

[Bomario]

if you ask me the thing behind banjo is a Dalek!

[Banjo_Dude 94]

I doubt that the numbers on the mini pinata is the release date, but does anybody know when the 255th day of the year is? I have a feeling that I am looking into the picture too much though.

[B-K 4 Life]

October 11, 2008. hmm....
Interesting...

[Banjo_Dude 94]

October 11, 2008. hmm....
Interesting...

After checking what was the 255th day the year, the real date is September 11 (not 10/11).... But! Since this year is a leap year, the date would actually be September 10, 2008. So, since Banjo-Kazooie 3 is more than halfway done, it could be a really good chance that the game will come out around September 10, 2008. This date is past the dates of E3 (which BK3 is supposed to be shown at), so it could be a release date.

Also, if the numbers say it is 25Y, not 255, it could just mean how long ago was Rare founded.
Since the Christmas Card is for 2007, 2007-25Y= 1982. Rare was founded in 1982 by Tim and Chris Stamper. (Rare made their first games in 1983)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rare_%28company%29

[mercapto]

And what's with that little blue package in the bottom-left corner...? On top of the big green box, it has a very specific shape...just another pinata in there ?

[actionwebgamer]

Also, if the numbers say it is 25Y, not 255, it could just mean how long ago was Rare founded.
Since the Christmas Card is for 2007, 2007-25Y= 1982. Rare was founded in 1982 by Tim and Chris Stamper. (Rare made their first games in 1983)

That actually sounds really likely, they're probably just celebrating their anniversary.

[Tanjo]

It looks like 254 to me...Or it could just be squiggles.

[Keegan]

or it could be a date to when banjo 3 is coming out

[Zeppel di Kazoo]

Am I the only one who thinks the thing on the bottom right corner is a four-egg carton?

"egg + egg + egg + egg + key = ?" anyone?

[harrison09]

if you ask me the thing behind banjo is a Dalek!

The thing behind banjo is his bag...

[Mandy]

I think he mans the contraption behind the chair

[ConkerTribe]

What is a "Dalek"?

Anywho, all these number games are confusing me. I somehow doubt they'd insert the release date so obscurely. Plus, that would kind of be like writing their own tombstone. What if they're not finished in time? They'll all just be a bunch of liars then.

[mercapto]

I checked most big shows like E3, Leipzig, London, The MS event and Tokyo, none of those dates match but I do think the date might be for a new trailer or preview, not the release.

[DavidNel]

It wouldn't be digging their own grave. They could always simply say that that just wasn't the release date, lol. Rare is smart, so I'm keeping my eyes as open as possible on this...

[Bomario]

http://www.ledkittyworks.com/images/dalek/dalek2.jpg

thats a dalek and the thing behind banjo looks quite similar, tho im not saying it is tho Rare is a uk company and theyre bound to be doctor who fans XD but as someone said earlier, it could be weldar.

[Zeppel di Kazoo]

I just had a thought. The thing that Kazooie is holding is certainly something Mumbo-ish, if you look at the head-- the shape of a skull, the three feathers...

A baton? A token? A key?

If a key, could it be releted to the "[egg] + [egg] + [egg]+ [egg] + [key] = ?" enigma, and the 4 egg carton on the image?

If we think about it, there might be 4 eggs and a key in the picture.

[mercapto]

Yup, always saw it as a key, the shape is right, along with the Mumbo head to hold it by.
Banjo holds a round thing that looks like a crown, but the tip of it looks electrical. That would make sense in combination with the showerhead device...

[madscientist032]

I think the device that you all say is a 'Dalek' looks like a giant screw drill that excavators use.

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n45/madscientist032/Screw.png

[darkshadow8181]

the thing behind banjos chair seems to look more like some giant (water?) pump to me. or whatever can be made of a rubberish zigzag-y hose in some glass tube. maybe that small water pump connects to this some how? or maybe with what banjos holding?

[madscientist032]

the thing behind banjos chair seems to look more like some giant (water?) pump to me. or whatever can be made of a rubberish zigzag-y hose in some glass tube. maybe that small water pump connects to this some how? or maybe with what banjos holding?

I'm talking about this (http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n45/madscientist032/Itemshighlighted.png) if you follow the link the dalek in question is circled in red.

if that link doesn't work try the one below.

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n45/madscientist032/Itemshighlighted.png

[Betafinder]

See a drill seems feasible.

[darkshadow8181]

I'm talking about this (http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n45/madscientist032/Itemshighlighted.png) if you follow the link the dalek in question is circled in red.

if that link doesn't work try the one below.

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n45/madscientist032/Itemshighlighted.png

I know. im saying that the thing seeming to be a dalek, seems to be a giant pump of some sort within a glass tube. which might connect to what banjo is holding.

[madscientist032]

Ok now I got it.

Thanx for the clarification.

[angelofdeath275]

I see a "256" on that yellow egg, or a "250"...maybe a "254" The 3rd number is hard to make out..... If yall can put the x-mas card in negative. It makes things easier to see. Thats how I saw Grunty in the fire and not a bird.


On a side note, everytime I click on the 11th page on this thread, I always end up on the 10th page..........I dont know why..so I cant see any the comments on the 11th page...Its very weird.:confused::confused::confused:

[madscientist032]

why is there a bell design on the pinata under the 25y one?

[Keegan]

What's up wit de 11th page??


and also the "egg carton" looks like the top of the sandcstle code chamber. "you will be able to return to old levels... but not how you'd expect..." or whatever he said.

[madscientist032]

I've been reading some of the xmas card-related threads here at RWP and it seems that the object Kazooie is holding seems to be in the shape of mumbo's staff. Other people think that it's the legendary Ice Key, and its handle is in the shape of Mumbo's skull.

Thoughts?

[Yiffgurl]

Oh god guys, you realize you're doing the same exact thing everyone did with "L is real", right? It's just shading, it's not supposed to be any kind of writing.

Also, you guys need to learn to make 40 posts a page appear.

[madscientist032]

Oh god guys, you realize you're doing the same exact thing everyone did with "L is real", right? It's just shading, it's not supposed to be any kind of writing.

Also, you guys need to learn to make 40 posts a page appear.

what was "L is real" and are you talking about the 255 scribble?

[Yiffgurl]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e6/L_is_Real_2041.png

This. People thought that they saw that saying "L is real 2041" (the top line of scribble), which they then took to mean Luigi was hidden somewhere in the game.

It's exactly the same thing as what people are doing with the "25whatever" thing here.

[madscientist032]

that was just a low-res texture that actually read "eternal star." This 255 thing could be a random squiggle that just so happens to display the company's years of existance.
Or it really could be a number. We won't know until Rare officially tells us, either through the Scribes or through this forum.

[Thrust]

Is it just me, or is Banjo's backpack strap broken? I mean if you look at it Grunty's stocking is ripped and has the same sort of attachment. Tape? Threads?

[madscientist032]

the patched up look is supposed to be there. Rare felt that they needed to update the cartoonish characters to something more modern.

Banjo and Kazooie look the same in the xmas card as they do in the teaser trailer.

[mercapto]

Is it just me, or is Banjo's backpack strap broken? I mean if you look at it Grunty's stocking is ripped and has the same sort of attachment. Tape? Threads?

A ring found on most backpacks to make the straps longer or shorter. Simple as that.

[joey-achooie]

So, here's my theories, then.

Kazooie's present: Unless they made Mumbo's staff flat, this is probably the new Mumbo token or a key. NOT THE ICE KEY. Can't think of much else for this.

Banjo's present: This one involves a bit of risky speculation, but since we know that Mumbo and Humba have new roles now, what if Humba sells B&K potions now? They could cause various effects in the levels, and possibly be the new transformation system. So basically, I'm guessing this is a potion. That, and sense Kazooie's present is from Mumbo, it makes sense for Banjo's to be from Humba. The potions could possibly have to be made from ingredients found through out the level, and if you get the wrong ingredients, it could be a dud potion. Banjo's could be a dud potion, explaining his disappointment, and the pinata laughing at him.

Egg carton: Just the replacement for egg nests from BT, nothing more.

Water pump: Ok, this is a little farfetched too, but it's all I could think of. We know that the jiggy system is different now, so I'm thinking, since the new overworld is presumably fire-themed, what if, jiggys are used to fill a puzzle that, instead of opening worlds, fills the pump with water, allowing you to put out part of the fire to access new areas? Would certainly be an interesting concept, and it gives jiggys a different function while still allowing them to help in opening levels.

As for Grunty's head in the fire, I'll put my thoughts on that in the overworld topic.

The only thing that has me stumped is the thing behind Banjo's chair.

[Princess J]

The thing by Banjo's chair? That's the consequences of Weldar and FLUDD's relationship....

...Seriously though, I'm very certain that it's Grunty's head in the fire; it's simply her new, stylized design. Her nose is much more beaklike. She looks very intimiditating... I like it!

To me, it seems that Grunty is represented by fire, whereas Banjo and Kazooie are receiving tools that look like they'd deal with water. So perhaps BK3 is themed around fire and water- the heroes fighting with water, the villains using powers over fire. It seems quite an unexpected theme, and the idea of Banjo and Kazooie running around and spraying everything with water is far too similar to Mario Sunshine. So maybe that's not it at all, but that's the impression I get here. At any rate, I hope BK3 doesn't end up being too much about gadgets and not enough about the characters themselves. But I have faith in Rare; after this many years, I'm sure they know what they're doing and are taking the series in the right direction.

At first glance I thought Kazooie was getting a little banjo, maybe a sweet present to remind her of her best friend no matter what. But as I looked again, it seems obvious that it's a flat version of Mumbo's wand. Maybe it's a Mumbo popsicle. ...Or not. At any rate, I think it's a gift from Mumbo. Does it appear to anyone else that the wrapping paper has little Glowbo shapes on it? Because it looks like that to me. It's probably just random pink squiggles, but as long as we're speculating, I might as well throw out anything interesting I see.

As for what Banjo's holding, I have no earthly idea, but the green and purple is very reminiscent of Grunty. Also, the wrapping paper by Banjo's probably came off of the present which he just unwrapped and is now holding. This paper is purple and a lighter purple, like Grunty's stockings (including the one hanging up) and her scarf. It might be some kind of mystical object once owned by Grunty, or perhaps it's a warning sent by her. Either way, that explains the worried and upset look on Banjo's face. I feel very confident that this "present" was sent by Grunty, hence why she is there to watch him open it and see his reaction.

And if we can judge who sent the package by its wrapping paper, then if Kazooie's gift really does have Glowbos on it, it makes sense that Mumbo sent it. (Also the messy "TO KAZ" looks like something he would scrawl.) Who sent the egg container, wrapped in yellow paper with targets on it? Maybe Humba, who wears yellow, or maybe King Jingaling, who IS yellow, and furthermore was the TARGET for the zombification ray. And who would send the little water-pump-FLUDD-thing, in green and brown paper? Jamjars maybe?

I realize I'm reading far too deeply into this, but I enjoy it. :D I like throwing out any ideas I have, no matter how ridiculous or unlikely.

[Comrade Bear]

Maybe I'm stretching it a bit, but look at the tag on Kazooie's present. It says "To KAZ." Now obviously it's an abbreviation for "Kazooie," but nobody in or related to the game has ever referred to her as "Kaz." There are several users on the RWP forums with the "Kaz" abbreviation in their names, however. Perhaps one of these users asked a particular question or made a certain observation and this present was sent in response?

It wouldn't be the first time the Rare team made reference or paid attention to particular forums users. A reference to coolboyman was made in the Jetpack video, if you remember that.

[mercapto]

Don't forget it also says XX on the Kaz card.
:p

[Fox McBanjo]

That "To Kaz" thing your talking about really is too remote to be plausible. Coolboyman's reference was because he had a freind on the inside. Not one Kaz here has anyone working for Rare on thier side.

The prezent itself is Mumbo's staff. The feathers at the right, the skull near the middle and then the shaft. The "To Kaz" bit is, most likely, just a nickname.

[Zeppel di Kazoo]

It's too flat and short to be Mumbo's staff. It's a Mumbo key to something.

[BanjoForever]

I was thinking Mumbo comes no where close in playing a role of santa clause to even think about giving a present to Kazooie. Grunty would for sure but Mumbo I don't think he even cares about presents. Its like having a 10yr old buying christmas presents for another 10yr. Like that kid really knows! The presents gotta be from Grunty or simply from Rare to have our minds rolling on tread mills.

[mercapto]

I figure we could do with an update right about now :)

[TowerOfTragedy]

I figure we could do with an update right about now :)

I figure, you need to be happy with what we got for now. Don't think that, after the Card and the 12 questions, Gregg will be giving us information every week or 2... I'd say, wait 1 month or so, maybe we'll get screenshots :).

[madscientist032]

The prezent itself is Mumbo's staff. The feathers at the right, the skull near the middle and then the shaft. The "To Kaz" bit is, most likely, just a nickname.


It's not mumbo's staff, at least it's not one from either BK or BT. His staff looks similar, but the feathers are under the skull part and they point down.

I just remembered something. In Grabbed by the Ghoulies, specifically the Trophy Room, there is a head that looks like Kazooie. The plaque thingy underneath says 'KAZ.' Coincidence?

[Fox McBanjo]

Remember when you used Mumbo in BT outside his house? His staff had feathers on top of it. Adn the 'too flat' argument can be outdone by the whole 'cubist' art approach. Maybe its flat because the art style changed?

[Keegan]

it could be a token

[Thrust]

A ring found on most backpacks to make the straps longer or shorter. Simple as that.

I thought that too, but grunty's stocking has the same sort of think on it, and its obviously broken

[mercapto]

No that's stitched like torn socks should be. Like the stocking next to it is patched in the same way.

[Zeppel di Kazoo]

Remember when you used Mumbo in BT outside his house? His staff had feathers on top of it. Adn the 'too flat' argument can be outdone by the whole 'cubist' art approach. Maybe its flat because the art style changed?

No, for the staff to be flat like that it would have to have been a very exaggerated 'cubist' style and that is NOT a staff. We are not certain if it is a key, but definitely it's not a staff: Too short, too flat, and a bit irregular.

[Fox McBanjo]

Err, thats just an opinion that its too flat. It can still be a staff. Nearly everything in the card is out of proportion. Look at the small Bird explaining the present to Banjo. That's a Sparrowmint, from Viva Pinata. They are normaly much bigger.

And who's "We"?

And does it really make sense, anyway? Why would Mumbo give a staff OR a key to Kazooie?

[mercapto]

It's stolen property!

But uhm, whatever it is and whoever gave it, it's all guessing from our part.

http://img435.imageshack.us/img435/677/banjots2.jpg <--- Key
http://ibanjo.ifrance.com/render/mumborun2.jpg <--- Staff

Neither look right, but a combination could very well be right. It's a Mumbo Key, but key to what ? We entering Mumbo's world ? Cos as wel all know, Mumbo aint a Jinjo, but what is he ? :)

[Qwazin]

First time I saw the present Kazooie is holding I thought it was one of the notes. Not the regular notes, but the bigger ones in BT that give you 10 notes. They did have a similar shape, though I'm not sure if it's identical.

[AkoCham]

Nope the "big notes" in Banjo-Tooie are Treble clefs and that thing is Kazooie's mouth is definitely not a Treble clef.

[DeLMrcs]

Maybe it's a Mumbo Key? Does kind of look like it would be useful for opening doors that Kazooie can't (trailer reference).

[Benabomb]

IDEA:

Both Banjo and Kazooie seem very unhappy with their gifts.
Maybe it's time for them to STOP and SWOP their gifts?

[mercapto]

IDEA:

Both Banjo and Kazooie seem very unhappy with their gifts.
Maybe it's time for them to STOP and SWOP their gifts?

:D
Like in the Penny Arcade comic from a week or so ago...
"Dude, this isn't a gift, this is 6 months of hard work, thanks for nothing, thanks for ending my social life!" Something to that extent :D

[madscientist032]

IDEA:

Both Banjo and Kazooie seem very unhappy with their gifts.
Maybe it's time for them to STOP and SWOP their gifts?

i didn't think of that one!

[Benabomb]

i didn't think of that one!

Hehe ;)

[Jiggy]

I took a few liberties, but does this work for anyone at all?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/XL1ska/bk3maybe.jpg

Isn't her chin longer than her nose? Exp: http://www.fond-ecran.com/ORIGINAUX/jeux/banjo_tooie/banjo_tooie_015.jpg

But I found her chin, which is longer than the nose, no worries.
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg66/Speedracerson/bk3maybecopy.gif


Now it's FINALLY PROVEN. No one should be talking about a stupid fiery bird in that fire. It's obviously Gruntilda.

[Lakitu]

Well, even Gregg said it was Grunty.

[solid_snack]

Maybe the "beak" everyone is talking about is just another piece of firewood and the rest of Grunty's skull is actually behind the firewood.

[DeLMrcs]

Thing is that it looks like they have coal for the fire, not firewood. Plus the "Beak" falls in place too well for it to be firewood.

[AkoCham]

Its probably part of Grunty's new design. Everyone else got redesigned, why not Grunty as well?

[madscientist032]

That's true.

The new overall appearance (especially in the trailer) is pretty cool, with the exception of Banjo's foam-like shorts.

[=donkey-banjo=]

Lines. There are LINES!@!@@
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/3623/rarexmas2007vu6.jpg

1. Grunty is pointing to the fire, which has a bird that looks like Kazooie. It can possibly be a bad bad guy, who Grunty wants dead, or her minion.

2. The fire bird is looking at Banjo, or what hes holding.

3. Kazooie is looking down to the gift of possibly the shower head thingy.

It looks like Kazooie has a key. Banjo has a sphere. Both are pretty pissed at them. Key? Then the other is an egg. It is showing that they are sick and tiref of the eggs and key!

Maybe it means key to the eggs or getting the key to stop n swop!!

Also, have you noticed the wall paper? Its jiggies! I'm glad that wasn't removed...*sigh*

[madscientist032]

anybody bored (or OCD) enough to count the number of jiggies there?

[BKMasterxD]

Can someone please give me a link to the Christmas card?

[banjo nerd]

There are only 60-66 jiggies.

http://img170.imageshack.us/my.php?image=89512155sw1.png <---grunty

[Chicken Wings]

About The Grunty/Bird thing, and how they mentioned a volcano level with two meanings which i think is Conflagration Violent, I think that the two meanings are the Grunty/Bird

thing and the fire is hinting towards the level.

P.S.: If this has been stated before please don't kill me for not reading through the whole thing:x

[B-K Nostalgia]

anybody bored (or OCD) enough to count the number of jiggies there?

Where'd you get the image of Banjo as a tank? Is that a Grunty's Revenge transformation?

[Chewbacca]

Maybe it means key to the eggs or getting the key to stop n swop!!

ZOMG STOP N SWOP!!!!1!!!11

[Tee-Hee]

I think it's interesting that Kazooie of all people has something that resembles Mumbo's Staff. The two of them never really get along ever since Mumbo called Kazooie 'filthy feathered one'. Which was right when they met.

As a side note, Mumbo's English seems to improve between BK and BT XD

[Chewbacca]

I always thought Kazooie's present looked like a key. Possibly another ice key or something.

[B-K Nostalgia]

As a side note, Mumbo's English seems to improve between BK and BT XD

I never noticed this.

Perhaps he'll be really articulate and well-spoken in Threeie. How's that for some useless speculation? Ha.

[Klungo]

Banjo's present looks kind of like a crown, and I agree that him and Kazooie look unhappy. Could he become a reluctant king in this game? Kazooie's present could be a magic staff received after becoming queen.

[DeLMrcs]

I never noticed this.

Perhaps he'll be really articulate and well-spoken in Threeie. How's that for some useless speculation? Ha.

It wouldn't be the first time, Cheato talked like that in B-K and in B-T he's speaks normal. Strange...

[Chewbacca]

It wouldn't be the first time, Cheato talked like that in B-K and in B-T he's speaks normal. Strange...

Hmm... Grunty also went to regular speech instead of rhyming. Maybe the producers got sick of remembering who talked how? Haha, I don't know.

[Some_wierdGuy]

i reckon they got lazy, thus the no rhyming

what other reason is there for getting rid of it?

[CaptainWhiteEye]

lol dont flame, but dosnt the bottom right corner gift looks like a egg carten, mabye a SnS egg carten ;-)

[B-K Nostalgia]

I never noticed this before but I think I see .... a nipple.

/Seinfeld-reference.

[Ghost]

lol dont flame, but dosnt the bottom right corner gift looks like a egg carten, mabye a SnS egg carten ;-)

lol at one point I also thought this looked like an egg carton (although SnS being kept in an egg carton Never occurred to me :P). However, it almost looks like the top of the sandcastle in TTC as well.

I doubt it's either.

[SpongeBoy]

Banjo's present looks kind of like a crown, and I agree that him and Kazooie look unhappy. Could he become a reluctant king in this game? Kazooie's present could be a magic staff received after becoming queen.

Which would fit in quite well with plot five of the plot theories (Mountain Wars!). Intriging...

[B-K Nostalgia]

I see a ******** nipple, people.

/belligerent Seinfeld reference.

[Solid Snix]

Mayby if you have a Viva Pinata save file as well as a B-K3 one, you will get more moves annd wepon in B-K3 and items, (such as Bottle's glasses, even though they are alredy obtainable) in VP

[Wolfe Logan]

Mayby if you have a Viva Pinata save file as well as a B-K3 one, you will get more moves annd wepon in B-K3 and items, (such as Bottle's glasses, even though they are alredy obtainable) in VP

I mentioned that a few days ago...

[Solid Snix]

I mentioned that a few days ago...Oh, sorry, lol

[Wolfe Logan]

Oh, sorry, lol

No problem, I didn't say that to shoot you down. I just said the same thing basically in that SnS AFJ discussion thread, but no one commented on it.

[Banjofinder]

i just thought of maybe y there sad is because grunty sent it to them and maybe the fire bird is gruntys new side kick and the piniatas could maybe be apart of the game u cant see who the presents from so it could be from grunty the water house could be a squirter and the egg carton could hold the eggs maYbe the pic of grunty wit no head she could be headless just a thought

[SquareMeal]

I never noticed until now but the top of the "crown" looks like a dial for a lock. Could it be some sort of safe that is keeping something important out? Maybe.

[J@mie]

I never noticed until now but the top of the "crown" looks like a dial for a lock. Could it be some sort of safe that is keeping something important out? Maybe.

I see how it looks like the lock, but how the hell would the crown be a safe....

[SquareMeal]

I see how it looks like the lock, but how the hell would the crown be a safe....

If it wasn't a crown at all. In Scribes, they complained that everyone thought that it was a crown, so I figure it isn't a crown but an elaborate safe.

[J@mie]

Oh right... O.o