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Andre
27th March 2005, 02:59 AM
Saturday, March 26, 2005 at 15:37 JST LOS ANGELES — The U.S. District Court in Oakland, California, has ordered Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. and its U.S. unit to pay $90.7 million in damages to Immersion Corp. for patent infringement over controllers used with PlayStation game consoles. In the ruling handed down Thursday, the federal court also ordered Sony Computer Entertainment and Sony Entertainment America Inc. to stop selling the PlayStation and PlayStation 2 game consoles using Dualshock controllers as well as more than 40 game software products. (Kyodo News)

http://www.japantoday.com/e/?conten...cat=3&id=332037

WOW! What's gonna happen now?
BlueBreegull
27th March 2005, 03:02 AM
Leapin' Lasagna! What's this going to do to Sony?
P.o.t.O
27th March 2005, 03:06 AM
Holy Crap in a Cowboy Hat! This isn't good for Sony!
Banjo's Banjo
27th March 2005, 03:08 AM
Geez, that sucks. Those were good controllers too....(the Dualshock ones.)
OmegaPirate
27th March 2005, 03:32 AM
Some phone company patented wireless gaming but Nintendo uses wireless gaming with the DS so i think.
Its wrong for them to have a patent to something as generic as 'rumbling' in a controller.
I'll bet Sony take on that decision..If they can.
Didn't Nintendo first create the rumble controller? With the Rumble Pak?
Gold Jinjo
27th March 2005, 04:30 AM
Saturday, March 26, 2005 at 15:37 JST LOS ANGELES — The U.S. District Court in Oakland, California, has ordered Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. and its U.S. unit to pay $90.7 million in damages to Immersion Corp. for patent infringement over controllers used with PlayStation game consoles. In the ruling handed down Thursday, the federal court also ordered Sony Computer Entertainment and Sony Entertainment America Inc. to stop selling the PlayStation and PlayStation 2 game consoles using Dualshock controllers as well as more than 40 game software products. (Kyodo News)

What the hell is wrong with people? Ugh... that's sickening. However far we've come as a society, it's all just still a GD childish, petty schoolyard fight.

There's no such thing as adulthood.
R Hunter
27th March 2005, 04:33 AM
Hmm this is interesting...I wonder why Immersion Corp. didn't do this earlier?
Grey Jinjo
27th March 2005, 05:10 AM
Wait, I thought all 3 next-gen consoles had built in rumble features? And why can't the third party developers like Mad Cats and Pelican be sued?
OmegaPirate
27th March 2005, 06:55 AM
I'm not exactly sure..., but i think its the technique that sony uses for its rumbling mechanisim/design? Is that what it is?
Are immersion gonna try stop all games going to the USA that use Dual Shock too are they? (That 40 or so..) ??

Sony must appeal and win!!! *cries* that 80 mil should be used to make games! Not feed the pocket of them freeloading vultures..

On a more upbeat note this thread looked to me (at first from the main menu) like it said "Sony ordered to pay $90.70" ...lol
Zy0n7
27th March 2005, 01:45 PM
well..after all...if they have made the dual shock controllers without cheking if by this they were violating some patents, it's theyr problem after all....(the thing I don't know is why reclaming today if the dual shock was released years ago)

for example, nitendo has lots of patents to prevent things like this, did anyone know that the D-pad is actually a nintendo invention and patent? that's why de pad in every other system (including play station) completely sucks, same thing for other invents like the original n-64 stick or the controller ports, and also the rumble pack tecnology I think.

Sony must appeal and win!!! *cries* that 80 mil should be used to make games! Not feed the pocket of them freeloading vultures..



that's not much of a loss for a big company like sony, and anyway, one out of 200 games is sony-made.

but, well, on the other hand, yes, they are vultures TT_TT, but this is a bussines, and this sort of things happens in bussines. -rare with microsoft for example :(-
Jason
27th March 2005, 04:17 PM
Good... Sony should rot in hell.
Gaming Master2k
27th March 2005, 07:57 PM
This is no doubt going to hurt them but if they appeal and loose then they have to say to themselves "ok, we need to come up with a new form of dualshock technology" and then get it developed.

that's not much of a loss for a big company like sony, and anyway, one out of 200 games is sony-made.
Sony have the money but $90.7 Mil is still a lot of money to have to hand over. Don't forget they're not allowed to sell their consoles with the controllers in them so there's more money lost. It's not just a matter of what they have to pay you also need to take into account sales losses
Kaz da Breegull
27th March 2005, 09:13 PM
Well, this is nice. Great work, Sony.

Hey, it's their fault. They need to fix the problem on their own.
Icy Guy
28th March 2005, 11:50 PM
This kind of reminds me of the suit where some guy was suing tons of big-name companies for using sprites in 3-D games.

There'll be an appeal, and it'll all cool off.
Hakey Wake
28th March 2005, 11:59 PM
that's not much of a loss for a big company like sony, and anyway, one out of 200 games is sony-made.


Sony are approximately $60 Billion in debt at the moment.

Either that or they have a debt of $60 Billion, I really can't remember which one it is.
BlueBreegull
29th March 2005, 12:20 AM
Ah, that hardly matters, it's only a $120 billion difference!!! o.0
Zy0n7
29th March 2005, 04:10 AM
60 bilion: 60.000.000.000.000
90 milion: 90.000.000
______________________
O_o a debt of 60 billion is an extremely high debt O.o
Gaming Master2k
29th March 2005, 05:38 AM
ah isn't it more like:
60 Billion - 60 000 000 000 (3 less 0s)
90 Million - 90 000 000

or is this because of the different countries we are in because I do know some countries have billion differently to Australia.
Grey Jinjo
29th March 2005, 10:54 AM
... It's like that in America, too.
Hakey Wake
29th March 2005, 01:09 PM
Here, a billion is a million million, so 1 000 000 000 000, I believe the American billion is 1 000 000 000, or one thousand million.

In any case, it's a lot of money Sony are going to lose.
golden jiggy
29th March 2005, 03:57 PM
Leapin' Lasagna!
Holy Crap in a Cowboy Hat!

:D yay.

O_o a debt of 60 billion is an extremely high debt O.o

Oh.. my.. god. Really?! :rolleyes:
BlueBreegull
29th March 2005, 11:40 PM
Thousand - 1,000
Million - 1,000,000
Billion - 1,000,000,000
Trillion - 1,000,000,000,000
Quadrillion - 1,000,000,000,000,000
Quintillion - 1,000,000,000,000,000,000
Hexillion - 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
Septillion - 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
Octillion - 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
Nonillion - 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
Decillion - 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

Then there's like something past that, then a

Dodecillion - 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000

And then I don't know, but the highest number ending in 'illion' I can think of is

Icosillion (or something like that) - 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

So there you have it, that's how it is in the Americas at least :) .
Grey Jinjo
30th March 2005, 02:40 AM
goo·gol·plex ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ggôl-plks)
n.
The number 10 raised to the power googol, written out as the numeral 1 followed by 10^100 zeros.

I'd write it, but that'd be difficult.
P.o.t.O
30th March 2005, 02:59 AM
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Ah, screw it.
Zeanith
30th March 2005, 03:08 AM
http://www.japantoday.com/e/?conten...cat=3&id=332037

WOW! What's gonna happen now?
So...much...cash...
They'll get it back.
They always do.
Hakey Wake
30th March 2005, 01:06 PM
So...much...cash...
They'll get it back.
They always do.

How do they always get it back if they're $60B in debt?
CheesePie
30th March 2005, 03:03 PM
they use their 'magic powers'.
Grey Jinjo
30th March 2005, 10:01 PM
Because in the world of business, every major company appears to be "in debt" on paper.
Hakey Wake
30th March 2005, 10:22 PM
Because in the world of business, every major company appears to be "in debt" on paper.

?

.........

? And? So? ???

.......?

Edit: Infact that can't be true, Nintendo aren't in debt. :mazza
Grey Jinjo
31st March 2005, 03:44 AM
My point is, they aren't really in debt.

Donald Trump filed bankruptcy 6 times, do you think he was REALLY in debt? They have write offs, tax-evasion, etc. Always makes it look like less than they have.
R Hunter
31st March 2005, 06:48 AM
Hmm...This makes you wonder if sony's used anyone else's technology without proper permission...we might hear from other companies now too..but then again maybe not.
Gaming Master2k
31st March 2005, 06:57 AM
It's certainly possible. Immersion Corp. may have opened the gates to more troubles for Sony. I'd be willing to bet that their console and everything else will be thoroughly checked out by both Sony and their competitors.
Hakey Wake
31st March 2005, 12:17 PM
My point is, they aren't really in debt.

Donald Trump filed bankruptcy 6 times, do you think he was REALLY in debt? They have write offs, tax-evasion, etc. Always makes it look like less than they have.

Well I know what you mean, despite being apparantly money-less they can still keep going.

Sooner or later it'll surely do some damage to the company though.