Grunty's Revenge not an alternate future?

[John]

This is what it says on Rare's site:

Get ready for a whole heap of hag in Banjo-Kazooie: Grunty's Revenge! Despite being thoroughly flattened by a boulder after her first tangle with the bear and bird, Gruntilda is already hard at work on Plan B: to go back in time and prevent the meddling pair from ever meeting...

Set in the lost months between the events of Banjo-Kazooie and its sequel Banjo-Tooie, Grunty's Revenge charts the original plan of the Isle of Hags' No. 1 witch to escape from her predicament with only the assistance of inventor underling Klungo.

Ultimately left with no choice but to follow his arch-enemy back through the pages of time, Banjo finds himself caught up in new battles, new contests and encounters with faces both familiar (such as a young and unproven Mumbo Jumbo) and not so familiar (grizzly old mentor Bozzeye) as he seeks to stop the vengeful hag before she can throw an enormous spanner in the works of history.

Fans of the Banjo series and thrill-seeking newcomers alike will be fascinated by the variety of adventurous gameplay on offer, as Grunty's Revenge offers a heady mixture of the established and the brand spanking new. Ever wanted to experience some of the transformations from Mumbo's earlier repertoire, or see what you could do with the Bill Drill and Wonderwing in a set of completely different worlds? Now you can.

Let's face it - you don't often get the chance to ride on time, so make sure you're ready to hitch a lift when Banjo-Kazooie: Grunty's Revenge launches the series on Game Boy Advance later this year.

Seems like both this and Banjo-Tooie are on the same timeline now unlike what was said before. I guess it's going to have something to do with screwing up the space time continuum or something as to why they have never met Jiggywiggy and Honey B before in BT, while they are clearly seen in screenshots from BKGR (the one with Jiggywiggy and his temple is at Gamespot).

[Mystery Man]

wait, the same timeline? ah, so she goes back under the boulder in her spirit form and the machine grunty is destroyed in some world of BK:GR probably, so that would make sense. I've got to point one thing out though. the hag 1 never went through spiral mountain then. so, if we go into gruntilda's lair, does that mean that we'll be able to go into earlier levels with our new moves gained in BK:GR and get the SNS items?!

this is awesome.... i think i've already seen a picture of B&K going on a spring pad into gruntilda's lair in the new screens released by IGN.

[Jason]

Grunty, Banjo and Kazooie will all travel through time through-out the game. Notice the clocks on the GR box?

[John]

Some other interesting things I noticed:

(such as a young and unproven Mumbo Jumbo) and not so familiar (grizzly old mentor Bozzeye)

Ever wanted to experience some of the transformations from Mumbo's earlier repertoire

This me to believe that Rare has abandoned the idea that Mumbo's face was turned into a skull by Grunty, since in the screenshots he is the same as before.

Also, time travel tends to screw things up a lot, so the first BK game as we know it might have happened slightly different in Grunty's Revenge until they go back in time and do something that alters the timeline and makes it the way that we know it. This might be the reason why the lair (if it really is the lair) looks a bit different than the BK lair (closed mouth and the eyes aren't made of emeralds) in the screenshots. Maybe we get to visit familiar worlds that are altered somehow (screenshots show a place that looks a lot like TTC). Heck, if the story goes anything like other time travel stories I've seen, Mecha-Grunty will probably be the reason why Banjo and Kazooie meet in the first place.

That is probably really far-fetched though.

[Gold Jinjo]

Originally posted by John
Seems like both this and Banjo-Tooie are on the same timeline now unlike what was said before.[/B]

No no... Banjo-Tooie still won't exist. They're merely stating that this game takes place within the months between the end of Banjo-Kazooie, and what would be Banjo-Tooie.

Set in the lost months between the events of Banjo-Kazooie and its sequel Banjo-Tooie.

>BK Ends<---------------------------------->BT Begins<

If GR takes place between these games, and Grunty is freed, then how can Blobelda and Mingella free Grunty if Grunty has already been freed between these events?

Edit: Okay, just nevermind... I keep rewriting my theory and contradicting myself. I really don't know how this is playing out ;)

[Elisk]

Have you looked at the screens? She isn't freed. She dies and her spirit inhabits a robotic form with time traveling capabilities. There will be some thing where her spirit returns to her body. Notice how the rock was never lifted, leaving it for her sisters.

[Mystery Man]

if you look in one of the screens released by ign, you'll see what looks like gruntilda's spirit, and she's still under the rock, while her mechanical body was built by klungo. all in all, it looks like klungo never freed her, but she died and her spirit went in the machine. i'm guessing that at the end of BK:GR, her spirit will cast a final spell to bring her decomposed body back to life, just without the skin, like she looks in banjo tooie.

and as triskal always says...
Originally posted by Triskal Guilo:
...but that's just what I think

Edit: Elisk got to the post before me, so I elaborated a bit.

[EvilPsycho]

so that would mean banjo tooie wouldn't happen right?

[Mystery Man]

no, it means that there's more of a space between kazooie and tooie than we originally thought, although none of the changes from BK:GR are visible, like the rock gruntilda's under not moving, but her spirit actually becomes free and she inhabits the body of a robot.

[Elisk]

There are a good 2 years between Kazooie and Tooie, but that doesn't make a difference when mucking up time. In the Back to the Future film series Marty McFly went from 1985 to 2015 to an alternate 1985 to 1955 to 1885 and back to 1985 all in one morning.

[Professor X]

I'm so confused....

I just don't get how her spirt could go into that machine, and then after that, go back to her body or whatever in BT. But I really haven't played any Banjo games in a long time, so I wouldn't remember many of the details.

[John]

I just had a strange thought... What if Grunty alters something in the past that causes her evil sisters Mingella and Blobbelda to be born, so that if her time travel plan fails she will have someone else in the future to rescue her. I'm not exactly sure what she could do though.

[R Hunter]

guess she could cast something to kinda copy herself from one baby to three hence instead of just brentilda and grunty now you've got blobbdela and mingela also

[Nick98]

I was going to post this really LONG theory about that Mingella and Blobbelda thing. I changed my mind after I started giving myself headaches. Anyhoo, I like the Mingella and Blobbelda theory(John's one BTW. Sorry R Hunter...). I want to read a good solid theory on it. Mine was okay, but to much confusion was involved. :rolleyes:

[Roystein]

This is what I think..

It all happens between BK and BT and BT would still exist in this timeline...

Grunty makjes herself have a sort of 'out of body experience' because Klungo can't move the rock... She can then float out and get in the robot...

Insert gameplay here...

Obviously Grunty would be defeated... the robot destroyed so she would have nowhere else to go other than back to her skeletal body back under the rock...

Then... Mingella and Blobbelda build the Hag 1 from pieces od Gruntys robot and come up with a plan to give Grunty her body back... etc...

And then we have Banjo-Tooie...

[Elisk]

To explain Tooie: While Grunty is back in time and knows her defeat is near, she makes it so she has two new sisters born. She also makes sure to get rid of Brentilda while she's at it, along with Tooty. Explains their absence and lack of concern about it in Tooie.

[Hakey Wake]

But then if Gruntilda took out Tooty, don't you think that would make BK well.......pointless?

[Nick98]

Hakey Wakey pointed out the obvious. Not to mention that Tooty wouldn't of been on that milk jug in CCL if she never existed. ;)

[DYNAMITE]

Yeah if you guys read the BK instruction manual it says that Grunty turned mumbo jumbo's face into what you see before you and it would remain that day till she was overthrown. So they probably abadoned the idea of Mumbo looking diff and im glad... I really dont want to see a human mumbo.... just isnt normal. Mumbo es un masked shamon

[DYNAMITE]

She doesnt 'take out' tooie or brentilda. They just werenti n Banjo Tooie.... Thats like saying that bottles married mrs. bottles after BK because she wasnt in it..... it just makes no sense...... Grunty goes back in time to prevent her death..... easy as that.

[slaphappy]

This gives Rare an opportunity to explain some oddities in BT. Hopefully something will happen in Grunty's Revenge where the Lair entrance picture gets destroyed and the paths get blocked by boulders. Not to mention how Cheato ended up there?

Time will tell. :cool:

[Benjo Koolzooie]

Hopefully tell is something useful about Captain Blackeye aswell.

[R Hunter]

What I'd like answered is who created the ice key and all the eggs that's something that has never been brought up

[John]

Yeah, I hope Blackeye gets his glory stolen in this game.

What if Boggy was actually the bear who stole Blackeye's glory? I mean, he seems to have a way of just "finding" jiggies all over the place, and he had to have someway to be able to afford his house since he's too lazy to get a job. You would think that if it was Banjo who had stolen it Blackeye would have recognized him, unless he was just too drunk to put it together... Unless of course it happened years in the past and he didn't think it could possibly be Banjo. (This paragraph wasn't serious BTW. It would never happen this way.)

Anyway, having Blackeye in the game would be great along with a pirate ship level. I think there was a sunken pirate ship in one of the screens... Maybe you go to the sunken ship in the present, and then go to the past and explore it before it sinks to meet Blackeye.

[Elisk]

Originally posted by DYNAMITE
She doesnt 'take out' tooie or brentilda. They just werenti n Banjo Tooie.... Thats like saying that bottles married mrs. bottles after BK because she wasnt in it..... it just makes no sense...... Grunty goes back in time to prevent her death..... easy as that.

You're pretty annoying, Dynamite. It does make sense, and no, it's not like saying Bottles never married his wife because she wasn't in Banjo-Kazooie. Again, Back to the Future, why does Marty McFly have memories of growing up with shoddy parents even after he changes the past so that his parents are cool? Why is it that he can remember that his Dad had self esteem problems but now writes novels and has a BMW? Oh, and it's Tooty you stupid sod, not tooie. That'd be the name of BK's sequel. Who isn't even a character.