human / cartoon marriage to be legalized [Archive]

Mandolin

1st November 2008, 12:18 AM

I've said it before and I'll say it again: It's news like these that renew my faith in humanity.

You have to admit: it's guys like this petitioner feller that make our world more entertaining.

Mando, you have been one of my best Rarewitch friends, but I'm going to stab you in the back, Mitsuki's mine!

I hope you'll be my best man though. o-O

:eek: :eek: :eek:

Gee, that's funny, because I can't recall her coming to you in a dream and talking and dancing with you! :D :p

Hey, it's OK. I have anime crushes out the wazoo. You can have this one. I'll be honored to be your best man!

Mi-mi-mikiru-ru-ru-ru-mi-mi! You shall be mine.

That's the spirit, my fellow deviant!

But seriously, this is stupid

"It's still love"

No, it's not. It's confusion. It's desperation. I'm glad I'm not that disparate yet...

Hey! That was a rather quick turn-around! Ya turncoat!

I'll have to disagree with you thar. It is still love. Crazy, deviant love. But love all the same. ;)

Neodynamics

1st November 2008, 12:19 AM

But seriously, this is stupid

"It's still love"

No, it's not. It's confusion. It's desperation. I'm glad I'm not that disparate yet...

You can be in love with a fake character, it's just a different love. How sad would you guys honestly be if they just killed off Banjo, or some other cartoon character that you love.

I mean, I'm not getting married, but they have definently found a place in my heart.

LoMoNoCrAt

1st November 2008, 12:19 AM

Well Mandolin, doesn't the secret work in mysterious ways. ;)

Jinjonator

1st November 2008, 12:31 AM

This is truly the highest degree of mind-boggling. So many people have a problem with gay marriage, and don't want it to be legal, and society would sooner let people marry drawings. I can't be the only one who sees the problem there.

Dylan Yoshi

1st November 2008, 12:33 AM

Translation: Anime fanboys escape from prison.

Neodynamics

1st November 2008, 12:34 AM

I wish I was a good drawer so I could make the women of my dreams. If I drew her, my wife would end up turning out like Jabba the Hutt.

Tanjo

1st November 2008, 12:36 AM

So if I made a character who had millions in IRL monies, married her, and killed her off I'd wind up with the millions?

Neodynamics

1st November 2008, 12:37 AM

So if I made a character who had millions in IRL monies, married her, and killed her off I'd wind up with the millions?

Hey I wouldn't be spreading that around, you could be one of the few that can pull off a lawsuit before they go change things.

ConkerKing

1st November 2008, 12:40 AM

That's almost ... a level higher than a furry.

Mandolin

1st November 2008, 12:51 AM

I wish I was a good drawer so I could make the women of my dreams. If I drew her, my wife would end up turning out like Jabba the Hutt.

I bet it'll soon be legal to marry Jabba the Hutt.

This is truly the highest degree of mind-boggling. So many people have a problem with gay marriage, and don't want it to be legal, and society would sooner let people marry drawings. I can't be the only one who sees the problem there.

Silly Jinjonator, we're not marrying drawings, we're marrying the people in the drawings!

SYMERWIZKID22

1st November 2008, 12:53 AM

I heard about this prior to this thread. Quite... shocking, to say the least.

dark-wolf-5

1st November 2008, 01:03 AM

Am I the only one here who finds hentai weird?

Mandolin

1st November 2008, 01:05 AM

This is not about hentai.

dark-wolf-5

1st November 2008, 01:21 AM

dude, might as well be...

Siege

1st November 2008, 01:31 AM

Hentai = Manga of people loving people

This Thread = People loving manga people

IronCrue34

1st November 2008, 01:32 AM

Don't even know what to think. :p

Silent Warrior

1st November 2008, 01:40 AM

Sweet mother of god.... This goes to show you how obsessive some people can be. They think a cartoon character is attractive enough that they want to marry them?

Personally, I think that's very sick-minded.

Tanjo

1st November 2008, 01:47 AM

That's almost ... a level higher than a furry.

That's because furries are the bottom of the barrel.

Twi

1st November 2008, 01:55 AM

.....

Adam

1st November 2008, 02:03 AM

That's because beastiality is the bottom of the barrel.

Fix'd. :p

chillywilly42

1st November 2008, 02:06 AM

That has to be the stupidest idea ever.

meta-knight

1st November 2008, 02:08 AM

these people are freaks. who would seriously want to marry a cartoon character? what would you do after you are married?

Dylan Yoshi

1st November 2008, 02:09 AM

these people are freaks. who would seriously want to marry a cartoon character? what would you do after you are married?

Go on a honeymoon, duh.

Mandolin

1st November 2008, 02:11 AM

these people are freaks. who would seriously want to marry a cartoon character? what would you do after you are married?

why can't you people just be happy for me!? :mad:

Adam

1st November 2008, 02:12 AM

Fairly sure that this guy would be thrown through a loop if the guy who makes the comic character he's "in love" with made him into a character into his manga. That's be hilarious.

popupvideo

1st November 2008, 04:06 AM

now the characters just need to come to life.

Grey Jinjo

1st November 2008, 04:20 AM

God damn I get a personal self esteem boost every time I read an article about groups of nutjobs like these.

Adam

1st November 2008, 04:29 AM

God damn I get a personal self esteem boost every time I read an article about groups of nutjobs like these.

Gotta love Japan. ^_^

kingpaco

1st November 2008, 05:47 AM

That's because necrophelia beastiality is the bottom of the barrel.

fix'd again :p

you have gotta love people like this, they always keep things intresting you know o-O

well at least they could say they aren't as miserable as most married people...or could they :p

Tanjo

1st November 2008, 01:49 PM

Enough with the fixing. That phrase doesn't need to be fixed. Beastiality falls under the category of furry.

Bottles98

1st November 2008, 01:52 PM

As soon as I saw the thread title on the index, I already knew who posted this thread.

Minjo

1st November 2008, 02:13 PM

Hahahahah what makes you think they'd want to marry you anyway?

Articerile

1st November 2008, 02:19 PM

Surely the owners of the characters would have to agree.
And there would be tonnes of people fighting over the same character?
It could get ugly...people could get assassinated over this unbridled anger for love.

Silent Warrior

1st November 2008, 04:22 PM

The people who decided to legalize this are either insane, or completely out to lunch. As Articerile mentioned, there would be literally hundreds (sad to say) people fighting over the same cartoon character, which would result in violence. But over what? A cartoon character?

Come on, that is just disgusting. Truely disgusting.

Mandolin

1st November 2008, 05:06 PM

God damn I get a personal self esteem boost every time I read an article about groups of nutjobs like these.

But you fail to realize that I feel great pride in being a "nutjob" like the petition guy. The very idea of having a mentality so weak and limited that it might cause me to actually oppose the passing of such a law, even if it's just for the sake of having it and being able to scream proudly into the night, "Yes, I have actually convinced the government to the legalize human / cartoon marriage!" sickens and horrifies me. I hope I never sink like so.

As soon as I saw the thread title on the index, I already knew who posted this thread.

Again, great pride and all that. ;)

And there would be tonnes of people fighting over the same character?
It could get ugly...people could get assassinated over this unbridled anger for love.

As Articerile mentioned, there would be literally hundreds (sad to say) people fighting over the same cartoon character, which would result in violence. But over what? A cartoon character?

I can just about guarantee that nobody who supports this law is concerned about that. It's not even a problem. It's a non-problem. Nobody will give it a minute of their time. To me, (and I am probably very correct in assuming, to every other nutjob like myself as well) anyone'd be able to marry any character no matter how many others are married to him / her as well. In fact, this is more likely to cause a sense of community amongst them than to cause riots.

Then again, some people are crazy. o-O :p

Mag

1st November 2008, 05:15 PM

Mandolin never ceases to freak me out. :-/

DekuScrubby

1st November 2008, 05:48 PM

"I am no longer interested in three dimensions. I would even like to become a resident of the two-dimensional world," he wrote.

"However, that seems impossible with present-day technology. Therefore, at the very least, would it be possible to legally authorise marriage with a two-dimensional character?"

So this guy believes that one day we will have the technology to send people into drawings to marry them?

:-/

Mandolin

1st November 2008, 05:54 PM

So this guy believes that one day we will have the technology to send people into drawings to marry them?

:-/

"Sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

I don't remember who said that. Clark Kent, I think... ;)

Andre

1st November 2008, 06:10 PM

As soon as I saw the thread title on the index, I already knew who posted this thread.

lolll

Grey Jinjo

1st November 2008, 06:19 PM

The very idea of having a mentality so weak and limited that it might cause me to actually oppose the passing of such a law, even if it's just for the sake of having it and being able to scream proudly into the night, "Yes, I have actually convinced the government to the legalize human / cartoon marriage!" sickens and horrifies me. I hope I never sink like so.

Well, as long as we're taking personal shots: Your existence and the threads you post frequently make me feel better about myself too.

Oz the Gay and Powerful

1st November 2008, 06:43 PM

Marriage is meanwhile on the decline as many young Japanese find it difficult to find life partners.

Now why could that be? :rolleyes:

Also, this sickens me to the highest degree. To marry inanimate objects that are creations of someone's imagination, ARE YOU *****ING JOKING?!

"I am no longer interested in three dimensions. I would even like to become a resident of the two-dimensional world," he wrote.

Tough noogies.

"For a long time I have only been able to fall in love with two-dimensional people and currently I have someone I really love," one person wrote.

Not someone, something.

"Even if she is fictional, it is still loving someone. I would like to have legal approval for this system at any cost," the person wrote.

Everything you do with this... thing is a figment of your imagination and thus you may as well marry yourself.

Befitting his desire to be two-dimensional, he listed no contact details, making it impossible to reach him for comment to explain if his campaign is serious or tongue-in-cheek.

Please let it be tongue-in-cheek.

Why are the majority of these people guys? Are we really that horny?

Also, if this gets (by some wild stretch of the imagination) legalized before gay marriage, my mind will be blown.

But... whatever fetishes you have, whatever you visualize yourself doing, whatever you want to do, please, keep it private.

That's all this is, a fetish. It should be kept private. Whatever happened to the good ol' days of people loving other people?

But hey, maybe I'm wrong about this whole thing. Maybe Mandolin can give me some insight. Either way, I still feel better about myself than I did five minutes ago.

Silent Warrior

1st November 2008, 06:49 PM

I would like to now how a marriage with an inanimate character who knows nothing of the real world would work. How would kiss him/her? Kiss the television screen? How would you-know-what work? Having you-know-what with the television or a comic book?

I agree with Mr. Colbert. This is sickening to the highest degree. When I first read this thread, I honestly thought it was a joke.

mafefe

1st November 2008, 06:51 PM

If you marry a 2D character, will your children be 2.5D?

Grey Jinjo

1st November 2008, 06:53 PM

Also, when you take the consent out of marriage isn't that borderline kidnapping?

Vect 01

1st November 2008, 07:03 PM

I'll have to disagree with you thar. It is still love. Crazy, deviant love. But love all the same. ;)

Eros, perhaps, but it cannot be lasting, it's unnatural, how would one consummate the marriage? It simply can't be done properly.

People can become infatuated by the idea of someone like that, but the characters themselves are not real, so they cannot give consent, so the marriage is not valid.

Also, speaking from a Christian perspective, marriage is the bond between a man and a woman, a cartoon character is not either of these, they are merely depictions of men and women.

How can you marry someone if you cannot interact with them in any way?

No offense, but this is pathetic.

Minjo

1st November 2008, 07:05 PM

So I'll just go ahead and draw whoever I want to marry since Mandolin says it's perfectly fine and sane and there's no problem and apparently it would cause a "sense of community". (http://img152.imageshack.us/my.php?image=greijg2.png) :rolleyes:

Banjo's Banjo

1st November 2008, 07:14 PM

....
Also, when you take the consent out of marriage isn't that borderline kidnapping?
It'd be more like theft involving cardboard cutouts and body pillows.

Oz the Gay and Powerful

1st November 2008, 07:23 PM

People can become infatuated by the idea of someone like that, but the characters themselves are not real, so they cannot give consent, so the marriage is not valid.

Yes, I see what you mean. People are searching for a perfect partner in a sea of imperfect people. In fact, the entire sea is filled with imperfect people because no one's perfect. That's why when someone creates something that seems flawless, people fall in love with the idea of that character and what life would be like with them if they existed as a human proper.

Take, for example, a character like Wonder Woman, the only female super hero I know of. She's like Superman. Flawless in almost every way and it's easy to admire the idea of someone like that.

But therein lies the problem, you're becoming infatuated with an idea that can't ever take a physical form. Then, when you see in this physical reality, all the imperfect people, the rejections you might face, the heartbreak you might endure, the fear of going up to a person and dealing with them, it all seems overwhelming and hard to deal with, so living by your idea 24/7 seems much closer to utopia than you could have ever dreamed.

That's unhealthy. That's running away from the world we live in. Creating your own shell, like so many others do so they can escape from reality, whether it be with alcohol, comics, television, the internet, your mind, sex, drugs etc. It's basically a self-destruction, all of it, if you don't maintain a proper balance.

In small doses, fine. Get sexually aroused by cartoon characters if that's your thing, just don't try and tell me marrying a cartoon character is a good thing. It's mentally enabling. Falling in love with a cartoon character is impossible too. The character is just filling an empty spot in your mind. You want something to be there so badly that you'll start "falling in love" with these perfect ideas.

Be cautious.

Maybe just try a little harder to find the "perfect" girl or guy (whom exists).

Hakey Wake

1st November 2008, 07:30 PM

Hmmmmm.

-moves along-

IronCrue34

1st November 2008, 07:41 PM

Wait a minute, I thought this was all a joke!?

Hell, why do we care anyway? Marriage has almost entirely lost all of its meaning anyway, in todays current day and age. Getting married to a cartoon isn't any worse then getting drunk and being married in Las Vegas, then getting a divorce the next day, in my humble opinion.

Oz the Gay and Powerful

1st November 2008, 07:41 PM

Also, what if you married a book of drawings? Isn't that polygamy?

Hakey Wake

1st November 2008, 07:51 PM

Well at least this will elliminate competition, if males want to cavort with drawings so be it, more womanz (or..guys..? :p) for us.

How about we legalize gay marriage instead?

Is that already legal in Japan or no? I have no idea, it'd certainly be silly to legalise this first considering there's no rational reason for outlawing same-sex marriage. :x

R Hunter

1st November 2008, 07:56 PM

Maybe just try a little harder to find the "perfect" girl or guy (whom exists).

Actually that's part of the problem right there. Nobody's perfect, end of arguement. People WANT to find the perfect mate, someone that shares their values, beliefs and is proportioned and as physically attractive as they want. No one wants to settle. And THAT is why we have matters like this.

Go out, find someone you like despite any faults, and hopefully they'll feel the same way about you and boom. Happiness.

Not that hard. :p

...That stated, I have dibs on half the women seen in giant robot anime. Anyone disagrees, can meet me on the battlefield in the morning. ;)

Oz the Gay and Powerful

1st November 2008, 08:04 PM

Hey R, that's kinda what I said in my other post. That's why "perfect" is in quotation marks because there's only next to perfection, not actual perfection.

Mandolin

1st November 2008, 09:21 PM

Well, as long as we're taking personal shots: Your existence and the threads you post frequently make me feel better about myself too.

This fails to make me feel bad about myself. But I'm willing to forget any inkling of conflict if you are.

Insight Time

Here's everything (definitive) Mandolin has to say on the subject.

The guy who started the petition is probably serious. It's very easy to see the image of romance we'd like to have in fiction, which was protably put together by people with the same feelings. This guy wants to feel closer to whomever he feels an attraction to by having their "union" legally recognized, but the fact that he left out his name and contact info should let us know that he doesn't really expect it to happen and is simply satisfying an urge. In fact, he's probably done his share of laughing about it himself.

As a person who has an anime fetish, I find all this antagonism over the subject truly reprehensible. Everyone has their kinks, and if you wanted to out yourself and reveal that you like it when your partner takes a dump on you whilst wearing a plastic Nixon mask and dancing the macarena, I will not judge you. However, I sincerely believe that the people here who are being so rabid against the "law" are taking it several degrees more seriously than those of us who want it passed. To me, it's a joke. It's a joke that I (obv.) feel an emotional connection to and I'd like it to amount to something, but most of what it does is enliven my spirits about the kind of thing that could happen in the world these days. (like this law being passed)

As for the consumation of marriage and other implications, nobody is expecting that. Obviously, those who share this kind of freakish fetish wish and fantasize about it, therein being what makes this a fetish, But I'd bet my every last possession that nobody has gotten it into their heads that having the Japanese government recognize this [fascinating] craze will change the status of reality. I don't expect that, and neither does anyone else. It's a fantasy fetish, nothing more, nothing less. And the things I say on the subject I say for the sake of my own entertainment, and anyone around who shares a similar sense of humor.

I fully recognize that any objectionable comments on my part are playful make-believe.

Oz the Gay and Powerful

1st November 2008, 10:01 PM

And the things I say on the subject I say for the sake of my own entertainment, and anyone around who shares a similar sense of humor.

I fully recognize that any objectionable comments on my part are playful make-believe.

That's some sense of humor :p

BUT

Some people DO take it way too far.

Mr 3vil

1st November 2008, 10:52 PM

I'd earn so much money if I was a psychologist in Japan right now.

Solution: Send many Japanese girls to the U.S. It taints their perspective forever.

Most of the problem seems to be that guys cannot get anything by how they're cultured. I remembered the women being heavily attracted to foreigners because they were more "dangerous." Then I spoke to several Japanese international girls about it and hear they appreciate their Japanese men now. They went to several college parties and realized how stupid people can get. I wasn't surprised.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Japan

Just look at the marriage rates of males vs. female. Horrible.

Mandolin

1st November 2008, 11:22 PM

I'd earn so much money if I was a psychologist in Japan right now.

I really hope you're not implying that folks are insane just for having a specific fetish.

popupvideo

1st November 2008, 11:33 PM

I have an important question. When you are fantasizing about an animated character & yourself, do you imagine them in animated form...or human form??

Oz the Gay and Powerful

2nd November 2008, 12:17 AM

I really hope you're not implying that folks are insane just for having a specific fetish.

I hope you're not implying that all folks who see psychologists are insane o-O

Mandolin

2nd November 2008, 01:26 AM

I have an important question. When you are fantasizing about an animated character & yourself, do you imagine them in animated form...or human form??

Animated form. ;) The difference is part of the beauty / erotic-ness of it.

Remember the special effects in Roger Rabbit? It's like that. (but no rabbit)

I hope you're not implying that all folks who see psychologists are insane o-O

I'm not. I've seen a psychologist... then again, that doesn't say much.

kingpaco

2nd November 2008, 01:23 AM

Everything you do with this... thing is a figment of your imagination and thus you may as well marry yourself
maby that is something to look into
after all i do believe i am the sexiest guy around :D

Siege

2nd November 2008, 01:29 AM

maby that is something to look into
after all i do believe i am the sexiest guy around :D

Do you want to have your babies?

Johny90

2nd November 2008, 01:49 AM

Lool !

That man can't be serious?!?

Silent Warrior

2nd November 2008, 02:33 AM

Lool !

That man can't be serious?!?Alas, he is serious my friend.:-/

I must say, the person who has thought of this is truely obsessed with cartoon characters to the extent that he wants to pass a law stating that you can marry them?

Let's be realistic.

The cartoon character isn't going to know who you are. They're fake.

How would you show affection to them? Pausing a TV episode and kissing the screen, or kissing comic book? They're fake.

Better yet, how would the wedding go? Take a picture of the human, then paste a picture of the character beside them in a photo? Or how about the wedding cake? The bride or groom would be on top, as well a figurine of a character.:x

StarFox

2nd November 2008, 05:11 AM

That's almost ... a level higher than a furry.I think it's worse... =X

I really hope you're not implying that folks are insane just for having a specific fetish.

That reasonig always struck me as odd. People hate furries in the same way... It's just a fetish. Nobody can help what gets them off...

Adam

2nd November 2008, 05:52 AM

This whole situation is a nasty papercut waiting to happen...

Koopaboy

2nd November 2008, 10:44 AM

I would like to see someone who would marry Kazooie....

Jinjonator

2nd November 2008, 05:45 PM

That reasonig always struck me as odd. People hate furries in the same way... It's just a fetish. Nobody can help what gets them off...

I think the problem is when people start turning their fetishes into some kind of lifestyle. If you wanna jerk off to whatever weird thing you like jerking off to, go ahead, but once you start turning it into something bigger than it is, and doing something like this, there's a problem.

If you think you're actually in love with a fictional character, and you want to legally marry them, you have severe mental issues. That's a fact.

Mandolin

2nd November 2008, 07:33 PM

Alas, he is serious my friend.:-/

I must say, the person who has thought of this is truely obsessed with cartoon characters to the extent that he wants to pass a law stating that you can marry them?

Let's be realistic.

The cartoon character isn't going to know who you are. They're fake.

How would you show affection to them? Pausing a TV episode and kissing the screen, or kissing comic book? They're fake.

Nobody wants to kiss the screen. Nobody wants to kiss a comic book. It'd be the equivalent of kissing a picture of your girlfriend because it's her, in the flesh, that you want / love. But, again, I'd bet my last possession that the petition guy doesn't actually believe that by getting this law passed he will actually get to kiss (or do anything else to) the person the cartoons / manga depict. He wishes it could be so, but he realizes otherwise.

Better yet, how would the wedding go? Take a picture of the human, then paste a picture of the character beside them in a photo? Or how about the wedding cake? The bride or groom would be on top, as well a figurine of a character.:x

Petition Guy and Petition Supporters haven't thought it through that far because they're not actually expecting the Japanese government to go through with it. I mean, if it happened they'd come up with something, but you've probably given it more thought that they have. In their heads they're standing next to the character fo' real and getting married like you usually would.

Either way, wedding pictures can easily be made via Photoshop.

That reasonig always struck me as odd. People hate furries in the same way... It's just a fetish. Nobody can help what gets them off...

My thoughts exactly. ;)

This whole situation is a nasty papercut waiting to happen...

As much as I hate to admit it, that was pretty darn funny.

I think the problem is when people start turning their fetishes into some kind of lifestyle. If you wanna jerk off to whatever weird thing you like jerking off to, go ahead, but once you start turning it into something bigger than it is, and doing something like this, there's a problem.

In a way, I agree. But there are many, many people disillusioned because their desires aren't met in real life, and when something outlandish like this petition happens, it creates a sense of community amongst them. I mean, if they really can't find anyone who satisfies them, they they're probably unbridled idealists likely to support something like this as an act of pure faith, hope, and love.

If you think you're actually in love with a fictional character, and you want to legally marry them, you have severe mental issues. That's a fact.

No, you're wrong. They are not insane just because their unusual romantic fantasy does not suit your tastes.

Oz the Gay and Powerful

2nd November 2008, 08:04 PM

oh, hay i forgot about this thread

I would like to see someone who would marry Kazooie....

Oh come on, you know that would end in divorce.

It kinds sucks that the fictional character would always outlive their spouse though...

Unless you ripped 'em in half on your death bed.

Jinjonator

3rd November 2008, 01:42 AM

No, you're wrong. They are not insane just because their unusual romantic fantasy does not suit your tastes.

I didn't say a single thing that would imply they were crazy solely because it doesn't suit my tastes. But let's use your logic. If I was passionately in love with my lamp, and wanted to marry it, I should legally be allowed to, and there would be absolutely nothing wrong with me? You won't find a single intelligent person who would say that isn't completely nuts.

But there are many, many people disillusioned because their desires aren't met in real life, and when something outlandish like this petition happens, it creates a sense of community amongst them.

Just because it brings people together doesn't make it normal or good. I mean, a league of pedophiles would "create a sense of community" for people who have fantasies that seem odd and/or bad to most people (or: they "don't suit your tastes"), but it's still sick and....sick.

In short: marrying cartoons is crazy, anyone who disagrees is also crazy, and probably wants to marry a cartoon themselves.

Keegan

3rd November 2008, 02:40 AM

I'm marrying May or Misty from Pokemon.

Bartimaeus

3rd November 2008, 02:47 AM

Just because it brings people together doesn't make it normal or good. I mean, a league of pedophiles would "create a sense of community" for people who have fantasies that seem odd and/or bad to most people (or: they "don't suit your tastes"), but it's still sick and....sick.

To me and you, yes, it is crazy, and sick.

But to others, beyond us, some will view it as the way of life, and how things should be. It's sort of like the Christian-Atheism war. Both sides think their sides are right, and both also think the other side is wrong.

Muslims don't really view women as human beings, they are like slaves to them. They view this as the correct way of life. To me and you? It's sick and wrong to us.

The same logic applies here, as much as I hate to say it. I'd like to say that the person who started this petition is crazy, but then I would have to say you are, too. And muslims. And anything else I disagree with.

Adam

3rd November 2008, 03:07 AM

I'm marrying Misty from Pokemon.

Fix'd for superiority.

Jinjonator

3rd November 2008, 03:13 AM

Bartimaeus

3rd November 2008, 03:27 AM

In other words, you live in a world where there are no absolutes, nothing is definitive, and if someone believes something, there's no standards by which to judge them, so you just accept it.

Like you mentioned, there are Muslims (among other people) who think what they believe is ok, while other people disagree. But just because they think there's nothing wrong with it, does that mean it's true? No, it doesn't. But once you start thinking the way you do, suddenly nothing can be argued. Everyone is right. Everyone's opinions have to be respected.

If someone thinks something is normal, I'm not gonna agree, and pretend like it isn't weird if it is. And having deep passionate feelings about a character that doesn't exist isn't normal, and it certainly isn't healthy.

How do so many people not get that?

When people do something I dislike, I'll understand that they might think it is right, (even though, my mind tells me it is completely wrong), but I'll still oppose it. Just like how I oppose this ridiculous petition. Just how I oppose atheists. You think I am wrong, and you are right. I think YOU are wrong, and I am right. How do you define what is right and wrong when there are so many opinions and values? How do you define what is normal? Do you define it by what the average person does? I suppose you do. I agree, this is abnormal, but it isn't necessarily wrong. Even though I think it is. I'll let the fact that I may be incorrect come into my mind. But, that won't stop me from opposing it.

"does that mean it's true? No, it doesn't." Nor does it mean that it is untrue.

Grey Jinjo

3rd November 2008, 03:53 AM

Atheism vs religion does not fit into your argument, because one or the other is right. I won't even play the atheist card during this argument. Let's say the Christian God exists. Well, obviously, under that condition Christians are right.

The concept of treating women is a social construct. It can't be proven right or wrong.

Oz the Gay and Powerful

3rd November 2008, 05:15 AM

K.g chest

3rd November 2008, 05:38 AM

wouldn't it get old masturbating to the same picture forever?

Grey Jinjo

3rd November 2008, 01:19 PM

But with the social aspect, everyone thinks they're right, when we're so far away from a utopia that it's laughable.

So really, even how Muslims treat women doesn't fall into the argument because it's in a different context. Every belief system has problems but the belief system itself is not one big problem. It's a way of life for some people, littered with a few problems.

Wanting to marry something that doesn't exist on the other is one big problem as it doesn't fall under any particular jurisdiction and can basically be classified as a mental issue. You can't bring opinions and beliefs into such an argument. There's just too many factors to take in and, in the end, this whole marrying cartoons is a problem.

But not something we ought to pick apart from every angle or even care about. It's not killing, raping, abusing. It's not a religion. It's simply a mental issue.

Not even a terrible one at that. So let's leave well enough alone.

Yeah, but technically love itself is a mental issue. It only dates back a couple hundred years. Before then people married to attain property rights, merge countries, etc.

The only criteria to classify someone as crazy is deviation from the norm. Currently, the norm is to love another human being. Thus, loving cartoon characters/lamps/animals/etc. is, by definition, crazy.

Keep in mind, though, that in a society where everyone loved their trusty horse, loving a female would be, by definition, crazy.

Adam

3rd November 2008, 02:48 PM

wouldn't it get old masturbating to the same picture forever?

That's why you have a crazy affair with Haruko from FLCL.

Mandolin

3rd November 2008, 04:45 PM

I didn't say a single thing that would imply they were crazy solely because it doesn't suit my tastes. But let's use your logic. If I was passionately in love with my lamp, and wanted to marry it, I should legally be allowed to, and there would be absolutely nothing wrong with me? You won't find a single intelligent person who would say that isn't completely nuts.

Yes, but that's different. A lamp has no human qualities.

Think of it this way: have you ever dreamed about what your perfect girl is like? Have you assigned specific looks and qualities to her that you find desirable? Certainly, you're not insane for having done that. Neither are these cartoon-o-philes (for lack of a better term; too bad "Animaniacs" is taken) are doing the same thing, but instead of coming up with this "dream girl" persona themselves, they're using one that has been invented by somebody else. It's the qualities of specific characters they feel an attraction for, which are the same ones they'd like in a real person. They won't want to marry a page from a manga or an animation cel.

Just because it brings people together doesn't make it normal or good. I mean, a league of pedophiles would "create a sense of community" for people who have fantasies that seem odd and/or bad to most people (or: they "don't suit your tastes"), but it's still sick and....sick.

Pedophilia hurts children. Anime-philia hurts no one.

In short: marrying cartoons is crazy, anyone who disagrees is also crazy, and probably wants to marry a cartoon themselves.

I can dream about having an anime wife. Fantasy fetish and all that.

But I agree that it would never have crossed my mind to have the government legalize that.

Minjo

3rd November 2008, 05:22 PM

Yes, but that's different. A lamp has no human qualities.

So you want to be accepted but you can't accept people who love lamps.

Mandolin

3rd November 2008, 05:27 PM

I'm just basing myself on Jinjonator's logic.

Being attracted to human qualities is not the same as being attracted to an illumination apparatus.

Minjo

3rd November 2008, 05:28 PM

I'm just basing myself on Jinjonator's logic.

Being attracted to human qualities is not the same as being attracted to an illumination apparatus.

Being attracted to real humans is not the same as being attracted to a drawing.

Mandolin

3rd November 2008, 05:34 PM

For the thousandth billionth time: we are attracted to the qualities, not to the drawing!

...but yeah, sometimes anime girls are pretty darned hot, so semi-touché, I suppose.

(and I realize it's not the thousandth billionth time in this topic, but I'm sure I explained it before at some point)

Articerile

3rd November 2008, 05:39 PM

Love is a matter of qualities.
Infatuation is a matter of appearance.

You'd be marrying the character, because of their characteristics, not because of their abilities to illuminate a room.

Oz the Gay and Powerful

3rd November 2008, 08:04 PM

Yes, but that's different. A lamp has no human qualities.

LOLLOL0OLOOLLOLOLOL APPLIANCE FETISH.

Also, @ Grey, I would have somehow woven love being a mental issue as well into my argument, if the thought had not completely escaped my memory :p

But yes, you're absolutely right.

Hakey Wake

3rd November 2008, 09:20 PM

Muslims don't really view women as human beings, they are like slaves to them. They view this as the correct way of life.

Uh...are you sure about that?

That's quite a serious generalisation.

The same logic applies here, as much as I hate to say it. I'd like to say that the person who started this petition is crazy, but then I would have to say you are, too. And muslims. And anything else I disagree with.

What's wrong with that? If you can actually justify why what they believe is crazy, what's the issue? Unless you can't explain why you think something/someone is wrong..in which case, why hold that belief in the first place?

We seem to be veering into "opinions can't be wrong!" territory which is true yet by that same token they can't be right either..they most certainly can be uninformed, however ("It's my opinion Mars is larger than Saturn." etc). Of course, one could start arguing the definition of "larger" (if enough people willed it, it could mean "smaller" eventually) so as far as that's concerned the majority rules..there's a reached consensus that it refers to bigger, grander, greater etc so that's what we use.

Every belief system has problems but the belief system itself is not one big problem. It's a way of life for some people, littered with a few problems.

Mmmmmm.

I don't think so, I think I'm with Sam Harris on this one about Islam needing a complete reform (http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20060207_reality_islam/) if it's to survive (unless it swallows up everything else), I'm not up on what the Qu'ran says about women (hence why my query above!) but there's a lot of pieces in there about killing infidels & what have you (that I could just be misinterpreting so anybody who knows more than I, by all means step in!).

The same way that Christianity was overhauled really (I.E. we haven't had a good crusade or witch burning in awhile :()

For the thousandth billionth time: we are attracted to the qualities, not to the drawing!

Surely that begs the question: "Why do you require the drawing to begin with?", a point of reference per chance ;)?

Pedophilia hurts children. Anime-philia hurts no one.

I was going to say...that was quite an extreme comparison.

GN_Hayate

3rd November 2008, 10:09 PM

HAHAHAHAHA!!! That is freaking hilarious, I can't believe someone would actually do that! O well he can do what he wants.

Go for it random Japaneses dude!!!!! You have my support!

Mandolin

3rd November 2008, 11:34 PM

Surely that begs the question: "Why do you require the drawing to begin with?", a point of reference per chance ;)?

Well, not quite. Many folks are prone to falling in love with fictional characters, but not all of these characters have any sort of "physical likeness" to feel attracted to. Case in point: Draco Malfoy and (shiver) Edward Cullen, both literary characters. The fangirls in these cases are attracted to the emotional / personality qualities of these characters and merely build up their ideas of them using the authors' descriptions and their own imaginations. But when it's fans of anime that feel the attraction, then obv. there will be something to look at in addition to the personality. So it's not just characters you can "see" that people can get randy over.

Grey Jinjo

4th November 2008, 01:42 AM

Oz the Gay and Powerful

4th November 2008, 05:06 AM

Case in point: Draco Malfoy and (shiver) Edward Cullen, both literary characters. The fangirls in these cases are attracted to the emotional / personality qualities of these characters and merely build up their ideas of them using the authors' descriptions and their own imaginations.

...I could be going out on a limb here when I say I'm sure these fangirls arrived when the actors who were playing them in their series respective movies were revealed.

popupvideo

4th November 2008, 09:58 AM

...I could be going out on a limb here when I say I'm sure these fangirls arrived when the actors who were playing them in their series respective movies were revealed.

I had a friend in the fifth grade who was in love with Ron Weasley. This was before the Harry Potter movies were produced. Needless to say, it only got worse when the first movie came out, and she saw it eight times in the theater, and adorned her walls with posters of Rupert Grint.

Mandolin

4th November 2008, 02:44 PM

You should still be able to mentally separate the difference between "getting randy" over a dream personality and "getting randy" over a real human personality, though. This guy doesn't seem capable of making that distinction.

...why, what's the difference? Regardless of the girl's stance on the real / fictional spectrum, this guy (and all like him) would find the same qualities attractive. It's not like he can't tell the difference between a person that exists and one who does not, but that doesn't change his feelings toward specific things. The way in which the petition is worded suggests otherwise, but I can tell you that he's just fulfilling a fantasy by stating things like that, and does not really think any of it can happen.

Oh, and it's not so much "getting randy" (I said that, yes) as it is feeling close to them.

...I could be going out on a limb here when I say I'm sure these fangirls arrived when the actors who were playing them in their series respective movies were revealed.

That can be, but not necessarily. I'm not a big fan of Stephenie Meyer's Twilight series (in fact, I have been actively avoiding it) But I distinctly remember an incident where fangirls protested because the guy they cast as Edward Cullen didn't match up to their standard of the character, which they'd put together using the content of the book and their imaginations. Sure, they love the guy now, (actor, not Edward) but their initial reaction was protest. Therefore, their love for the character overshadowed their objection to a casting call. Baby, if that ain't love, I don't know what is.

I don't think Malfoy had this promblem, though.

Also what popup said.

Kaiser

4th November 2008, 02:51 PM

Ok if a lamp has a description of itself saying:
I'm beatiful kinda rude but I love sex.

Would you think someone would be in love with it? Those are qualities too.

Mandolin

4th November 2008, 02:55 PM

You chose a rather specific quality whilst eroticizing a lamp. Is there something you'd like to share? :D

And to answer your question: if you're the kinda person who boinks lamps, then yes. (not I!)

But still, it's not the same thing. So far I had just referred to human beings, albeit fictional.

Kaiser

4th November 2008, 02:56 PM

Okay a statue? you can actually touch that.

Kaiser

4th November 2008, 03:00 PM

You can touch a lamp, too. ;)

There's an entire fetish for folks who are attracted to statues. It's called pygmalionism.

...again, not I. But where are you going with this? Do I really have to defend my fetish like this?
I forgot to put a lol after that. Sorry sarcasm+internet=phail, but i do still think lamps example was pretty hilarious.

Mandolin

4th November 2008, 03:03 PM

Gah! For some reason, an edit accidentally deleted my post!

...so yeah, pygmalionism. Folks who like statues as more than a friend.

Boggy

4th November 2008, 03:05 PM

50% of marriages end in divorce. How will human-cartoon marriages turn out? :smug:

DekuScrubby

4th November 2008, 06:10 PM

What if several people wanted to marry the same cartoon?

Oz the Gay and Powerful

4th November 2008, 08:23 PM

I can't believe no one, including me, has brought this up yet... but is this really the place to discuss your fetishes?

*sigh*

AAG.

But w/e this thread makes me lol.

Adam

4th November 2008, 08:36 PM

So Mando, you seemed pretty excited about this subject. Who is it you were wanting to marry? :smug:

dmoss

4th November 2008, 08:51 PM

Dibs on Scrooge Mc Duck.

I'll divorce him and get so very rich XD
Not if he makes you sign a PREEEEENUPTIAL AGREEEEEMENT!!!

Silent Warrior

5th November 2008, 01:09 AM

As disgusting as I think this is, I'm curious to know that if the chance was granted, who would you marry?

Personally, I'm not entirely sure for myself.

Mandolin

5th November 2008, 06:39 PM

I can't believe no one, including me, has brought this up yet... but is this really the place to discuss your fetishes?

*sigh*

AAG.

But w/e this thread makes me lol.

Oh, God. I don't think this is a thread for discussing fetishes in general... if someone wants to create that thread, you could count on me being there, seeing that unusual fetishes (wingvore, anyone?) are a bit of a subject of interest of mine... but get ready for some major weirdage because some of mine are bizarre, silly, and just plain embarrassing. Nothing stranger than my anime-girl fetish, though.

So Mando, you seemed pretty excited about this subject. Who is it you were wanting to marry? :smug:

Crap, there'd be so many. The thing is, I still count characters that I felt an affection / attraction to when I was younger but I still rather like in a non-sexual way today, due to my habit of not out-growing many cartoons and anime. To be honest, I just have about very few real anime "crushes" today, and I feel dirty about some of them because they are canonically in their mid-teens whereas I'm nearly an adult now.

Siege

5th November 2008, 09:00 PM

(wingvore, anyone?)

Please say that's not the fetish I'm thinking of... surely not the fetish of being eaten by birds...

Mandolin

5th November 2008, 11:34 PM

Please say that's not the fetish I'm thinking of... surely not the fetish of being eaten by birds...

Oh, no, no, God no. It's much, much worse. I wonder how in the hell more than one person managed to get this bizarre fetish, but seeing that it seems to come up in some fetish sites, agreed upon by others, and apparently not all started by the same person, I suppose there must be a specific aspect of our world that'd incite people to fantasize about being wrapped from head to toe in the wings of their non-human sex partner, the insides of which secrete stomach juices that sedates the prey whilst digesting them alive, thus allowing the non-human partner to consume the human partner whilst causing them no pain. Can't think of what it could be, though.

I have no fetish odder than my anime-girl fetish. I believe this needs to be stressed.

Oh, and the Petition Guy wanted to marry Mikuru. Tough nuts, mebecj. :-/

Bartimaeus

5th November 2008, 11:37 PM

(pukes)

I retire today.

Oz the Gay and Powerful

6th November 2008, 12:27 AM

I suppose there must be a specific aspect of our world that'd incite people to fantasize about being wrapped from head to toe in the wings of their non-human sex partner, the insides of which secrete stomach juices that sedates the prey whilst digesting them alive, thus allowing the non-human partner to consume the human partner whilst causing them no pain.

My last gf did that to me.

Mandolin

6th November 2008, 01:45 AM

I demand her phone number. :D o-O

Siege

6th November 2008, 01:58 AM

Oh, no, no, God no. It's much, much worse. I wonder how in the hell more than one person managed to get this bizarre fetish, but seeing that it seems to come up in some fetish sites, agreed upon by others, and apparently not all started by the same person, I suppose there must be a specific aspect of our world that'd incite people to fantasize about being wrapped from head to toe in the wings of their non-human sex partner, the insides of which secrete stomach juices that sedates the prey whilst digesting them alive, thus allowing the non-human partner to consume the human partner whilst causing them no pain. Can't think of what it could be, though.

I have no fetish odder than my anime-girl fetish. I believe this needs to be stressed.

Oh, and the Petition Guy wanted to marry Mikuru. Tough nuts, mebecj. :-/
I'll fight for her. But I respect his decision; I mean, of all anime chicks he chose Mikiru, so the guy has taste.

From what I've researched (I left the door open so I could reach the bathroom, it was started from the movie "Beast Rider"

I knew "vore" meant "being engulfed". Someone mentioned it and I looked it up. Biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig mistake. Some people like the idea of burning in someone's innards, and this is one fetish I can not respect. To me it's worse than furry, especially since there is apparently furry vore.

Those pictures... they haunted me for days. When I tried to sleep I thought about it and felt sick. It's disgusting.

MORAL: NEVER GOOGLE THE WORD "VORE"

NeoConker

6th November 2008, 04:13 AM

Oh God, Japan is the only place in the world where something like this can get 1,000 supporters in one week.

Mandolin

6th November 2008, 04:41 PM

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Kaiser

6th November 2008, 07:56 PM

Well, HOOOORAY a bunch of nerds would marry fictional people HOOOOOOOOOOORAY!!!

I make it sound goood nao?

Oz the Gay and Powerful

6th November 2008, 08:23 PM

Well, HOOOORAY a bunch of nerds would marry fictional people HOOOOOOOOOOORAY!!!

um... lol?

I make it sound goood nao?

What?

Mandolin

6th November 2008, 10:54 PM

Well, HOOOORAY a bunch of nerds are getting the chance to live out their happy fantasies HOOOORAY

nao it sounds good.

Kaiser

6th November 2008, 10:57 PM

Sorry I kinda messed it up, I was on a chat with Engrish talk. No joke.

Adam

6th November 2008, 11:05 PM

Oh, and the Petition Guy wanted to marry Mikuru.

Mikuru. Mikuru Asahina. The petition guy wanted to date Mikuru Asahina. Hahahahahahahahahaaaa!!! Like that would ever happen. Do you know how many people would be fighting that? ...wait... isn't Mikuru 17?

Siege

6th November 2008, 11:14 PM

Adam

6th November 2008, 11:20 PM

That's classified

I lol'd. Hard.

Mandolin

6th November 2008, 11:22 PM

Mikuru. Mikuru Asahina. The petition guy wanted to date Mikuru Asahina. Hahahahahahahahahaaaa!!! Like that would ever happen. Do you know how many people would be fighting that?

It doesn't matter. The way I see it, anyone who wants to marry her should be able to.

I mean, a character is more idea than person, anyway. Anyone can subscribe.

I'm sure Mikuru would appreciate all the new friends / affection. :)

That's classified

To be honest, I haven't seen all of the show. I don't know her age.

But dude... are we cool? SRSLY?

Siege

6th November 2008, 11:43 PM

It doesn't matter. The way I see it, anyone who wants to marry her should be able to.

I mean, a character is more idea than person, anyway. Anyone can subscribe.

I'm sure Mikuru would appreciate all the new friends / affection. :)

To be honest, I haven't seen all of the show. I don't know her age.

But dude... are we cool? SRSLY?

Yeah. It depends on when she is. And from what I've read of the novels I can't tell either... Though I'm only halfway through the 2nd one.

If you want the novels, here:
1-8 (http://www.blogcatalog.com/blogs/the-fan-site-of-haruhi-suzumiya/posts/tag/light%20novels/) 9 (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?mtzgdeomk5h)

EDIT: And I have to say that Nagaru Tanigawa has been a real inspiration for me. The way he wrote as Kyon = awesome.