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Andre
8th August 2005, 10:32 PM
What follows is an open letter to Jack Thompson. I'm sure you know who he is by now.

Mr. Thompson, I've been hearing repeatedly about your crusades against the videogame industry for at least a month now, and I consider that to be far too long a duration for what you are doing. Nonetheless, I have a few questions for you.

First of all, when will you stop? Sure, the Hot Coffee mod for Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas was a bit questionable, but I don't think it warranted a rating change that resulted in it being pulled from the shelves. Was that the goal? To get a game that you personally find offensive off of the shelves entirely so that nobody could buy it? Pardon me, but that's more than a bit asinine.

I wish before you went on these crusades that you'd actually research what it is you are crusading against. You began by saying that the Hot Coffee mod was accessible in the PC version of San Andreas via a readily-available code, and then when you realized you were wrong, that a hacker-supplied modification patch had to be applied to unlock it, you changed your tune without changing your goal. This isn't Salem, Massachusettes in the late 1600's, and you can't say the word "children" to further your cause in much the same way they could say the word "witch". And you sure as hell can't change your reasoning for your crusade halfway through and then pretend you weren't wrong in the first place.

Next you go after The Sims 2 and its pixellated private areas. The pixellization is what gets you all in a twist, and you start spouting the word "pubic" as if saying it loud enough will make your claim true: that there are actual graphical parts under those pixels, which can be revealed with yet another simple "code". This has, again, been proven to be flat-out wrong, and once again, the only way to make those parts show up for real is to apply an unauthorized patch to the game.

Wrong or not, you cite these two instances as reasons for the dismantling of the ESRB. The company that has been regulating and rating the products of the gaming industry for over a decade now, the company that has rated hundreds of thousands of games with no complaints from publishers or parents, and now because two games slipped through -- both of which have to be modified with unofficial patches in order to glean their questionable content -- that everything the ESRB does is wrong. Who do you propose should replace the ESRB? You? That seems to be the implication, that since you discovered these things, that obviously you're better at rating games than the ESRB. And that, sir, is arrogant to the point of mental instability.

It's appalling that you trumpet your wildly right-wing values while standing on tragedies such as the Columbine shootings in order to do so. You claim you were exposing to the world the "horrors" of influence by video games a week before those shootings, and while that may be true, using the deaths of innocent people to support your claims is as blatantly immoral as one can become.

And now you go after Killer 7. Once again your "research" is groundless, yet your argument is still just as loud: the game contains, quote, "full-blown sex sequences". This nugget of description comes from IGN.com's review of the game, and apparently what you have done is skimmed the review looking for phrases like that, found them, cited them as proof, and made up all of the other details. I seriously doubt you've played the game, and I doubt that you have read alternative points of view from other games-reviewing publications. All that mattered was that that four-word phrase was quotable and parade-able towards any media outlet that would hear your voice.

Killer 7 is different than San Andreas or The Sims 2. You already got San Andreas pulled from the shelves with its Adults Only rating, and even if you succeed similarly with The Sims 2, you won't make a dent towards all of the people that already have it. But Killer 7 is a new game. It had a massive budget, was delayed numerous times, and took years of development -- in other words, it has a lot to lose by not selling well. And an Adults Only rating would certainly cause it to not sell well. What confounds me is your indifference towards this situation. You claim to see the big picture, in that these games are harming our children, but you clearly don't see the fact that a lot of money was invested in making these products. These products are made by companies, who spend money so that they can make money, and if they don't make money, people get cut. People could lose their jobs if Killer 7 doesn't sell well due to your influence, and you'd likely perceive this as a casualty of war -- as long as it doesn't affect you, and you get what you want, the results justify the means. Again, asinine.

And now I find out that you've been sending e-mails to the major media outlets asking them to publish something recently afflicting you: death threats on your life. Your only concern, it seems to me, is to stay in the media spotlight. I suppose it's human nature to want fame and respect, and with your vehement rantings you have gotten the fame, but you're going about it the wrong way. Somebody somewhere deciding that someone they don't know can't have what they want doesn't exactly construct a respectful relationship. I give my personal guarantee that, when you are too old to dress yourself, any legislation pushed through by you will be deconstructed by the very kids you so adamantly claimed to be protecting by it. These kids whose entertainment you are taking away will one day be the lawmakers, they will run the world. They will be the parents that will be buying games for their children, and influenced by your legislation or not, it is up to them to decide what their children are and are not exposed to.

History is replete with figures that stand up against authority and elicit change. Who would you rather be remembered as: Malcom X, or Martin Luther King Jr.?

Sincerely,
Jeremy Prine
A Gamer
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Source: Void Games (http://www.void-games.com) Amen.

Hakey Wake
8th August 2005, 11:36 PM
Oh my.

Well said Triskal, well said indeed.

I think it's insane that Jack Thompson hasn't even played the games he's "crusading" against.

Icy Guy
8th August 2005, 11:52 PM
Oooh...let's see if Thompson tells us to....

Well, just read this (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/03/24/tech/gamecore/main683020.shtml). I admire Triskal's effort, but, unfortunately, it's not going to change Thompson's stance/attitude/crusade.

Gold Jinjo
9th August 2005, 02:46 AM
Hey, Andre -- glad to see you read our site ;)

But yeah, I think our only hope towards this kind of insanity is to wait for that generation to just die. Then we can do what we want.

Banjo's Banjo
9th August 2005, 03:06 AM
Oooh...let's see if Thompson tells us to....

Well, just read this (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/03/24/tech/gamecore/main683020.shtml). I admire Triskal's effort, but, unfortunately, it's not going to change Thompson's stance/attitude/crusade.

I actually hope he does. The more he does this, the more we'll have evidence against his crusade. I mean to act high and mighty, saying video games are bad, then turn around and cuss out teenagers definitely shows that he has no moral values as well as no leg to stand on.

Andre
9th August 2005, 03:18 AM
You know, I realized something. We really could do something against this maniac. I mean this guy is probably the one of the most hated people in the country right now. Anyone up for a petition? (http://www.petitiononline.com/yes2game/petition.html)

Banjo's Banjo
9th August 2005, 03:30 AM
While I agree something could be done, petitions aren't going to be the way to get it done, especially online petitions (they usually just don't have enough weight behind them to get things done.).

Sadly the best way overall to do anything is just to gather evidence enough to discredit the guy. As I said earlier, somebody who has nothing better to do with his time than to cuss out children/teens/young adults as well as state they are hopeless in a condescending manner, has to have little to no real moral basis.

Gold Jinjo
9th August 2005, 03:33 AM
petition? (http://www.petitiononline.com/yes2game/petition.html)

*signs*

Though it won't do much good with only 290 signatures. We need to get this circulated more.

Andre
9th August 2005, 03:39 AM
Indeed, I'll call G4 tommorow and see if I could get this on AOTS or whatever the **** it's called now.

Gruntling
9th August 2005, 03:41 AM
That's a very well written letter. Let's hope it doesn't fall on deaf ears...

MewChan
9th August 2005, 12:03 PM
307 signutures, mine included. I think Mr.Tompson has gone just way too far. I mean the hot coffee mod I could understand, but now he's trying to bitch and whine about the Sims. Whats next? Harvest Moon because you get married and have a kid?!? He's gone way too far with the "Vulgerness" of video games.
OT.Did anyone else notice that petition said something about VGcats?

Hakey Wake
9th August 2005, 12:38 PM
I signed it, 308, and left a nice little comment for him too.

MewChan
9th August 2005, 01:20 PM
*sigh* I sure hope this works. Andre, I sure hope G4 hears you out. And Jack Tompson, I sure hope you've learned your lesson.

Banjzooie
9th August 2005, 05:49 PM
A petition won't work. Thompson is out to stamp out the video-game industry entirely, and no one can stop him without concrete evidence to disprove his theories. Even a well-written, polite letter is responded to with anger by Thompson, as shown on that one site. As for the Sims 2, going further on how his claims against that are false... Well, they aren't entirely false. There is a simple code to remove the blurring effect. But according to Maxis (though they deny the existence of the code) all that happens when the blurring is removed is you see a body with no sexual organs, like a Barbie or Ken doll. Only 3rd Party modifications give the Sims parts like that. Its not like Grand Theft Auto where all the modification did was unlock pre-existing code, the Sims really have nothing to hide in an unaltered version of the game. But yeah, the petition won't work, so don't even try it.

Andre
9th August 2005, 09:47 PM
A petition won't work. Thompson is out to stamp out the video-game industry entirely, and no one can stop him without concrete evidence to disprove his theories. Even a well-written, polite letter is responded to with anger by Thompson, as shown on that one site. As for the Sims 2, going further on how his claims against that are false... Well, they aren't entirely false. There is a simple code to remove the blurring effect. But according to Maxis (though they deny the existence of the code) all that happens when the blurring is removed is you see a body with no sexual organs, like a Barbie or Ken doll. Only 3rd Party modifications give the Sims parts like that. Its not like Grand Theft Auto where all the modification did was unlock pre-existing code, the Sims really have nothing to hide in an unaltered version of the game. But yeah, the petition won't work, so don't even try it.

The letter didn't really work because it was one person. I believe that if this petiton gets enough people to sign it, it could work. Someone might even take it to New York to give it to him, personally. Should include a copy of The Sims 2 as well. And as for G4? Gotta wait untill Thursday. Damn G-Phoria.

Banjo-Fella
9th August 2005, 10:27 PM
Incidentally, here are some Jack Thompson ESRB-happy controvemoticons I made a while ago for your personal usage!

http://ns16a.8-95.com/~shitco00/jackthompson1.gif - Neutral

http://ns16a.8-95.com/~shitco00/jackthompson2.gif - Worried

http://ns16a.8-95.com/~shitco00/jackthompson3.gif - Shocked and Appauled

http://ns16a.8-95.com/~shitco00/jackthompson4.gif - "But... I... SAW... ...BOOBIES!"

EDIT: Er, that's odd. Because of the random combination of letters used for that folder, well, it's censoring the URL. Buggery. It's http://ns16a.8-95.com/~sh1tco00/, for those interested, only with an 'i' in place of the '1'.

EDIT the 2nd: Links fix'd, thanks to the fantastically amazing abilities of a certain Icy Guy!

Andre
9th August 2005, 10:34 PM
Ha, gotta love the censors.

R Hunter
10th August 2005, 01:52 AM
320 with my sig. Though we really should show that Mr. Thompson's claims are false, (genitals in the Sims? WTF??) That way his arguement will lose steam. And I have to say that Triskal wrote that very well. Knowing Jacko though it'll fall on deaf ears. :(

Gold Jinjo
10th August 2005, 03:30 AM
I think he's slowly losing credibility, which likely began when, after targeting GTA, he went after The Sims of all games. For God sakes, he blatantly accused Will Wright of conspiring with Electronic Arts to collaborate with the porn industry to allow wholesale modification of the game!! If that doesn't tell you the man has no *****ing clue what he's talking about, then I don't know what does.

Unfortunately, he's feeding off the press, and the press is feeding off him. Just think where this would all be if sites like IGN and GameSpot just stopped reporting about him...

Hakey Wake
10th August 2005, 02:39 PM
I think he's slowly losing credibility, which likely began when, after targeting GTA, he went after The Sims of all games. For God sakes, he blatantly accused Will Wright of conspiring with Electronic Arts to collaborate with the porn industry to allow wholesale modification of the game!! If that doesn't tell you the man has no *****ing clue what he's talking about, then I don't know what does.

That's quite...um....I'm not really sure what to say.

Surreal I think.

Dragon_Kazooie
12th August 2005, 07:35 AM
Who's Thompson?

Banjo's Banjo
12th August 2005, 03:32 PM
Who's Thompson?

Did you read the thread and the links provided? Because, you know, that helps.

Let me catch you up though:

Jack Thompson, a Miami attorney, who, like the former vice-presidential canidate Joe Lieberman, has been crusading against video games most of his career. He's basically blamed video games for such things as the Columbine shootings, other random violence, and most likely even for the sinking of the Titanic. Anyways, his recent exploits include the move to make GTA an A/O game due to the hot coffee mod, as well as ban the Sims 2 because it has blurred out genitalia (which with an illegal modification can be removed). Honestly he has been campaigning to shut down both game creation companies (Rockstar and...well whoever produced the Sims 2), as well as shut down the ESRB in order to get all video games off the market. Plenty of people have opposed this, many of which are gamers that want to talk with Thompson in a civilized manner in order to discuss things. Thompson, and I quote, told them to "F**k off." This of course discredits the guy to a point, but were getting tired of the old man continuing to ramble on. As such, petitions, letters, and other movements to show he isn't a good person (and just uses this in an attempt to foward his political career) have been created.

...And that's Jack Thompson as well as the entire thread summarized. :cool:

Banjzooie
14th August 2005, 06:11 AM
(Rockstar and...well whoever produced the Sims 2),

Maxis and EA games made the Sims 2.
as well as ban the Sims 2 because it has blurred out genitalia (which with an illegal modification can be removed).
And I say again, in the unmodified version of the Sims 2, the genitilia don't exist. When the blur is removed, according to Maxis and EA anyway, all that is seen is a body like what you'd see on a Barbie or Ken doll, no genitilia or privates of any kind, just a smooth body. The illegal modification doesn't just remove the blurring, it adds on the genitilia. I doubt Maxis would hide that kind of stuff in a game, they're not like Rockstar.

Andre
16th August 2005, 11:00 PM
Another fun-tastic Jack Thompson read. (http://gr.bolt.com/articles/jack/jack.htm)

PenquinDude
16th August 2005, 11:16 PM
Hey, he's better than Chick or Phelps.

Banjo's Banjo
17th August 2005, 03:30 AM
Captain Bologna

This is the best name ever. Seriously, it just sounds badass in an odd sort of way.