X-Box 360 price announced!

[PenquinDude]

Link (http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/08/17/news_6131245.html)

$299 Base unit, $399 with 'accesories'. Those 'accesories' include the Hard Drive, Wireless Controller, and the Remote Control, which don't come with the $299 version. I'm pissed off. THose were supossed to be standard features.

[Hakey Wake]

And over $500 for PAL users...

"Yay".

[Bottles98]

I'll just do what I did for the Xbox.

Get it for $59.99 right as the system is going out.

[Gruntling]

$400? Pfft... Yeah right, maybe when I get a job. That's expensive right there. Well, at least I can save up if a new Banjo title comes out within a few year or two.

[Andre]

Ah, beat the news master to it! Oh well, here are the official price and console bundles for those too lazy to click.
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System Bundles


Xbox 360 Core System - $299 (299 Euros, 209 GBP)
•Xbox 360 console
•Wired controller
•Detachable faceplate
•Xbox Live Silver membership
•Standard AV cables

Xbox 360 - $399 (399 Euros, 279 GBP)
•Xbox 360 console
•20GB detachable hard drive
•Wireless controller
•Wireless Xbox Live headset
•High-definition AV cables
•Ethernet cable
•Xbox 360 Media Remote Control (limited time)
•Detachable faceplate
•Xbox Live Silver membership

Peripherals Available At Launch

• Faceplate ($19.99, 19.99 Euros, 14.99 GBP)
• Hard Drive (20 GB) ($99.99, 99.99 Euros, 69.99 GBP)
• Memory Unit (64 MB) ($39.99, 34.99 Euros, 22.99 GBP)
• Wireless Networking Adapter ($99.99, 79.99 Euros, 59.99 GBP)
• Wireless Controller ($49.99, 44.99 Euros, 32.99 GBP)
• Play and Charge Kit ($19.99, 19.99 Euros, 14.99 GBP)
• Rechargeable Battery Pack ($11.99, 14.99 Euros, 9.99 GBP)
• Controller ($39.99, 34.99 Euros, 24.99 GBP)
• Headset ($19.99, 19.99 Euros, 14.99 GBP)
• Universal Media Remote ($29.99, 29.99 Euros, 19.99 GBP)
• Component HD AV Cable ($39.99, 29.99 Euros, 19.99 GBP)
• S-Video AV Cable (US) ($29.99)
• SCART AV Cable (Europe) (24.99 Euros, 17.99 GBP)
• VGA HD AV Cable ($39.99, 29.99 Euros, 19.99 GBP)

[PenquinDude]

Could someone explain how a 64 MB Memory card is over 1/3 the price of a 20 GB Hard Drive?

[Grey Jinjo]

Its portable. Same way iPods can get off charging so much money for their little gadgets.

Bah, this is disappointing I only wanted to shell out 300$ but now it seems I'll be getting the 400$ version. The least they could do is give me the option of wired or wireless controller. Blah :p.

[Klungo]

How would you copy saved games from Xbox to Xbox 360? Would you need to have the hardrive version to do it? Which Xbox games will work on the 360? Does anyone here have the answers?

[Banjo's Banjo]

This is specifically why buying systems when they first come out isn't the best idea in the world. Besides the fact that the amount of available games is limited, the costs, as seen here, are usually incredibly high.

Waiting till a system comes bundled with stuff (games, accessories, etc) and/or the overall price drops a bit after the release is the way to go.

[Gold Jinjo]

I'm pissed off. THose were supossed to be standard features.

Welcome to Microsoft, have a nice day.

It doesn't really bother me. It just means I'll have to wait a little longer to save up more, but there's nothing you can do about it. Either shell out the $399* or shut up.

*Be glad you're not me... as of this moment, I'm going to have to pay $485.43 for the bloody thing.

[Andre]

Or be like me and get a Revolution. ;) But, I'll play Halo 2 online with you guys with my pretty lil' Xbox.

[PaintGamma]

And BTW, I heard the games are now going to be $60 and not $50 bucks each >>

[Hakey Wake]

Assuming those clowns on the Vestibule aren't lying, 360 software will be $50.

Hopefully Sony will be forced to follow suite.

[Grey Jinjo]

How would you copy saved games from Xbox to Xbox 360? Would you need to have the hardrive version to do it? Which Xbox games will work on the 360? Does anyone here have the answers?

You can't copy data over. In fact, you can't even play most X-box games on X-box 360, only a few. Sorry.

Btw, I'm rethinking this X-box 360 thing and I might wait for a price drop. My guess is that since RevOlution is coming out in early/midway 06', MicroSoft will probably bundle the console with a game or two or something by then to try and keep up with the low price.

[Gold Jinjo]

My guess is that since RevOlution is coming out in early/midway 06', MicroSoft will probably bundle the console with a game or two or something by then to try and keep up with the low price.

If they want to compete with the Revolution's highly likely $199.99 pricetag, and the fact that you can go online with it for free... I'd say it'll persuade some people. "Do I play with Nintendo for free, or pay to play with Microsoft?"

[PenquinDude]

Yeah, but Ninty is Wireless only, while MS is ethernet OR wireless.

[Andre]

Yeah, but Ninty is Wireless only, while MS is ethernet OR wireless.

I can almost promise you that, in the end, Nintendo will add Ethernet support. Not that it matters to my Linksys... ;)

[Grey Jinjo]

I can almost promise you that, in the end, Nintendo will add Ethernet support. Not that it matters to my Linksys... ;)

I also have a Linksys and I <3 ethernet :).

[Gruntling]

I also have a Linksys and I <3 ethernet :).

Wow, what a coincidence. So do I! :D

[Gold Jinjo]

Yeah, but Ninty is Wireless only, while MS is ethernet OR wireless.

...point being? That's just splitting hairs, really ;)

Sure, if you don't have a wireless router, it could be rather costly and inconvenient, but you're paying for the router only once. The online service is still free. And Andre could be right about the ethernet in the end (though I wouldn't quite hold my breath).

If I were presented with a choice of playing, online, a game on the Revolution for free or on the Xbox 360 for an annual price, I'm going to choose Nintendo. I'll be supporting myself next month, and I can't choose an expensive Live subscription over groceries, or gas money.

Wow. I feel old. :p

[WolvyDaPope]

Although I son't own an Xbox, I wouldn't be able to afford internet or the system (although I don't pay for food or gas). I'm a Nintendo fanways, and plus, that much of a difference will definitely work for Nintendo's advantage. Ulike the GC ad Xbox during release ($50 difference wasn't enough to fully draw gamers away from the Xbox's power, but a $200 dollar difference will definitely persuade many tight budgeted families/gamers, despite power).

[Andre]

I dunno why everyone assumes that Nintendo will be far behind when it comes to power. I mean, M$ and Sony always exaggerate their specs. 20 times more powerful than the Xbox, my ass. If Nintendo really was that far behind, developers wouldn't stand behind them.

[Gold Jinjo]

I dunno why everyone assumes that Nintendo will be far behind when it comes to power. I mean, M$ and Sony always exaggerate their specs. 20 times more powerful than the Xbox, my ass. If Nintendo really was that far behind, developers wouldn't stand behind them.

Well that's exactly it. Sony and Microsoft released their raw specs which, while they might be true, are completely unrealistic in performance. Nintendo released their specs according to what the most powerful of games will actually be able to do on the system.

It's just sad that hounding on Nintendo has become so fashionable. Nintendo doesn't bullsh*t -- they're incredibly straight-forward with their fans, and where does it get them? It's terrible how gamers can be so blind.

[PenquinDude]

...point being? That's just splitting hairs, really ;)

Sure, if you don't have a wireless router, it could be rather costly and inconvenient, but you're paying for the router only once. The online service is still free. And Andre could be right about the ethernet in the end (though I wouldn't quite hold my breath).

If I were presented with a choice of playing, online, a game on the Revolution for free or on the Xbox 360 for an annual price, I'm going to choose Nintendo. I'll be supporting myself next month, and I can't choose an expensive Live subscription over groceries, or gas money.

Wow. I feel old. :p

The problem is my parents would complain if I wanted one, and wouldn't order one. I live in the middle of nowhere.

[Hakey Wake]

The Revolution will definitely not be as powerful as the 360 and PS3, because of the size. I mean to pack the amount of technology that the latter systems are using into something 3-DVD cases tall would require something like liquid metal cooling to stop it from over heating.

Wouldn't that cost...er....a lot? Nintendo have always sttaed that the Revolution will be cheap.

Also, they did mention and Ethernet adapter that can be plugged into the USB port should the need arise.

[RareBK]

Okay Im pissed off, no TP just niintendogs for christmas SOB

[Hakey Wake]

There's always Mario Kart Online.

Although what exactly is going to be online still seems up in the air at this point, some nasty rumours circulating the DS boards I go to stating that there is NO ONLINE BATTLE MODE.

I hope, with the rest of the world, that this is indeed faux.

[R Hunter]

That'd be a shame. I'm at my most devious in Battle Mode. Now as to which system i'll be getting it'll most likely be a N-Rev thanks to my discovery of just how much i'll be in debt buying an Xbox 360. :p $300 basic $400 with extras, and that's without online play? No thank you. I'll stick with the big N.

[BlueBreegull]

That's mighty expensive... looks like I'll only be getting a box now if Banjo-Threeie is announced.

[Grey Jinjo]

The PS3 will be more expensive. Book it.

I've decided on my game plan. I'm going to get a DS for Christmas (because Circuit City demos have got me addicted to the little bugger) since it should have a minor price cut and/or a larger packaging deal for the holiday seasons. Then I'll grab an X-box 360 around the N-Rev's launch time. Maybe I'll grab both in the same day even.

As for PS3, I have no idea. I may get it as launch, although Sony's launch models ALWAYS suck horribly.

[Gruntling]

The PS3 will be more expensive. Book it.

I've decided on my game plan. I'm going to get a DS for Christmas (because Circuit City demos have got me addicted to the little bugger) since it should have a minor price cut and/or a larger packaging deal for the holiday seasons.

If the PS3 is anymore expensive than the Xbox 360, they'll be losing a lot of potential customers. While Sony has never been "cheap" per se, I expect their prices to be on par with Microsoft's. Anything over $399 just isn't very agreeable. The PSP should be an example of Sony's price conformity. Everyone was expecting an overpriced and expensive handheld, while in actuality, the price was much lower than most initial estimates.

And on another note, I'm sure you'll like the DS. Most of the games I've played so far have kept me pretty entertained. Mario Kart DS is coming out around the holidays too, so watch out for that.

[PenquinDude]

The PSP should be an example of Sony's price conformity. Everyone was expecting an overpriced and expensive handheld, while in actuality, the price was much lower than most initial estimates.

It was still overpriced, just not as much as initially expected. And it's still missing one thing. GOOD GAMES. When ever anyone talks about PSP, they never mention games. It's a game system, I expect games!

[Gold Jinjo]

When ever anyone talks about PSP, they never mention games. It's a game system, I expect games!

Yeah, I've pretty much stopped thinking of the PSP as a game unit. I see more movies being advertised for it than anything else. And I now believe that this is just another round of handheld wars that Nintendo will emerge the victor. Especially when their next real Game Boy comes out... you know everyone will eat it all up. The Game Boy has been the sole dominant handheld unit since 1989, there's no stopping it. At least not as fast as Sony might have expected.

But when you make a system that's over $300, intending to compete in the video game market, and don't even focus on games... then I don't know what they thought they were doing. I commend Sony's obvious ambitious attitude, though. They're the only ones that could have pulled the PSP off the way they did.

*sarcastically applauds*

[WolvyDaPope]

Aye, it seems that is happening a lot. We focus so much on the power and capabilities, we (basic society, not us) over see the games the less powerful systems. Power doesn't matter, and you're right, Nintendo doesn't lie about what it has. It kinda stinks how Bill tried to make video games a power race in order to try and get a keen edge. I think it is failing, but the gamers of the 128 era now only see the race as Bill intended. It is said. I feel, as I never have bought a non-Nintendo product when compared to video games.
What does the Xbox really have? Halo, and, yeah, that's I can really name off the top of my head.

[Hakey Wake]

128 era? :confused:

[Grey Jinjo]

128 era? :confused:

What are you confused about? :x

[Hakey Wake]

Well if...it's referring to the processors of current consoles then I don't really understand...since they all use 64-bit...

I must just be missing something really simple and it's gone wayyyyy over my head. (But I'm not saying which one :cool:)

[PenquinDude]

I actually like my X-Box, and PS1 is great, but PS2 was horrible. I would buy a PS1 in a second, but you couldn't pay me to get a PS2. X-Box has Oddworld: Munch's Oddesey, RalliSport Challenge 2, Jade Empire, but gets an anti-vote for Halo, which isn't a very good game. Give me Half-Life or DooM (Yes, the originals) any day.

[Magic]

http://cube.ign.com/articles/522/522559p1.html

I thought this might answer some questions for those of you who haven't seen this already. Enjoy!

[PenquinDude]

That's from MAY. This is AUGUST.

[Hakey Wake]

IGN update it all the time though, so it's good to have.

[Grey Jinjo]

... Nintendo 64 was 64 bit. Gamecube and that are 128 bit, aren't they? Hence "Mario 128"?

[Magic]

That's from MAY. This is AUGUST.
Still, it provides some usefull info.

[Gruntling]

... Nintendo 64 was 64 bit. Gamecube and that are 128 bit, aren't they? Hence "Mario 128"?

I know it's politically incorrect, but I'd like to think of the Revolution, PS3, and 360's era as the "256-bit" era.

[Hakey Wake]

... Nintendo 64 was 64 bit. Gamecube and that are 128 bit, aren't they? Hence "Mario 128"?

I believe it's simply Mario 128 because it's the true sequel to Super Mario 64. 64 * 2 being 128. (So yeah...sort of)

As far as I'm aware, all current gen systems use 64-bit processors.

[Gold Jinjo]

Indeed, the GameCube's CPU is only 64 bits. Still, that's better than most PC's, as the majority of computers still only use 32 bit processors (like the Xbox, I believe).

Unless you're a lucky SOB running an Athlon 64 CPU :p

Anyway, I think people get the console's CPU confused with the video card's CPU, which actually is 128 bits.

I think. *does some Googling*

Y'know, I have no *****ing clue. :confused:

[Grey Jinjo]

Oh, sorry ::shrugs::. I don't know, I saw 128 on the product stats sheet prior to release and just assumed what it was. Maybe it is the video card, or something entirely different, I don't know.

[WolvyDaPope]

I only said 128 era because I rushed to write 128 bit era, although it was a term coined on Wikipedia, so don't know how trusty it really is.

[PenquinDude]

Wikipedia = right 95% of the time. It was called the 128 bit era, but just because people assume Nintendo 64 = 64 bit console(It isn't, I think it had to do with GFX Card Memory), and since SNES was a 32 bit console, that GC, PS2 and the like were 128 bit.

[Hakey Wake]

So just casuals getting up to their normal assuming antics.

This is very confusing, I thought the N64 did have a 64 bit processor, also it says 16 Bit on my SNES....don't know what it's referring to though.

Who the heck really cares. :)

[WolvyDaPope]

It doesn't really matter, but wasn't the N64 the first 64-bit system to be popular (cough*Jaguar*Atari*cough*maybe*cough*first*cough) . Sorry about that, swallowed a Deadsytem Beetle. N64 has a 64 bit something, but I don't really know what.

[Hakey Wake]

Commadore 64!

Where is this going exactly, I have no idea.

Er...-insert Xbox comment here, possible about the price-