Public Apology to StarFox

[Gruntling]

I wanted to publicly apologize for my rude and uncalled for comments on Episode 18 regarding StarFox's weight. Needless to say I am embarrassed and now only realize the extent my comments have made.

As I have mentioned to StarFox in a PM, as a moderator and the mentor leader, these comments are certainly not becoming and are not what you expect someone of my position to say. I have let not only StarFox down, but the rest of you as well. I hope none of you think less of me, but I can certainly understand if you do.

Most importantly, I want to say sorry again to StarFox. I hope most of all, you can forgive my harsh and careless remarks. I really do feel bad about this whole situation and wish to amend the hurtful things I have said.

[The Banjonator]

Someone else owes him an apology too, methinks.

[Deebs]

And my faith in you is restored. :)

[kyledude92107]

You're not the only one who should apologize.

[Teto]

Gruntling <3

Tom Tom says:
grey will worm his way out of it somehow

[Weldar-Kazooie]

Good move, Gruntling.

But, as banjonater said, it is not only you that owes him an apology.

[RiderOnTheStorm]

It's awesome that you made this thread, Gruntiling. But honestly, I doubt Grey will apologize in any way. Grey was the harshest in the podcast, and he's usually one to be a huge dick to most people. I honestly feel that his over-inflated ego will prevent him from apologizing, because I'm sure in his sick mind, what he did was all right.

[Pies]

Good on you Gruntling :), you did say you felt bad in the podcast for saying those things, but this should of never happened anyway.

[Doob]

I'm so happy you apologized. :3
You're not the only one who needs to apologize... >: (

[hardband]

Well done for apoligizing and actually meaning it! Now we just need to wait for the other person to apoligize...

[Deebs]

You know what? I couldn't care less if he does. If he really has the audacity to rip a member of the site he ****ing runs to shreds in a podcast, I don't want to know whether he is sorry or not.

F**k him.

[Ice Mario]

As I was in charge of editing the podcast I feel largely responsible, and in hindsight I had a complete judgement fail. My sincerest apologies to Starfox and our listeners.

[hardband]

You know what? I couldn't care less if he does. If he really has the audacity to rip a member of the site he ****ing runs to shreds in a podcast, I don't want to know whether he is sorry or not.

**** him.

^ This, i honestly could not believe grey, whatever he says...

[repobanjo]

??? Did I miss something?

[Deebs]

??? Did I miss something?

Yes you did.

Allow me:
The last 5 minutes of the original Episode 18 (About 49:40 onwards) was dedicated to a topless picture of an active member, Starfox. Some of the comments made in this 5 minutes were very hurtful and offensive, particularly from Grey Jinjo who made some awful comments. This has been removed and replaced with a version without the slander at the end.

[repobanjo]

Oh. So are you not going to explain what happened?

[RiderOnTheStorm]

Long story short, Grey and Gruntling insulted StarFox about his weight - Grey was more harsh than Gruntling. We all called them out on it, Gruntling made this thread, and here we are.

[Deebs]

Oh. So are you not going to explain what happened?

I just did.

[Sarge]

??? Did I miss something?

The end of the podcast makes fun of StarFox's weight, or at least it did. I don't know if it was edited.

Gruntling that was nice of your for apologizing. I won't be happy if the others dont apologize, but I won't be mad either. I mean, its between Grey, GM2K and StarFox, and its not really my business.

Edit:

I listened again.. that was cold man. Jesus.. I mean hes just a normal dude. You don't see us bitching people out like that.

[repobanjo]

Oh. I assume the got rid of it just like the average RWP censorship, then. Thanks for clearing that up.

Well, I didn't hear how severe the insults were, but to get a response like THIS, well, they must've been pretty bad. Good job to Gruntling for apologizing.

[Teto]

Insulted him for 5 minutes straight, may it be noted.

[repobanjo]

Yes, yes, we all got that much. No need to start sounding like a broken record.

[wkw427]

Owch.. Even though I didn't hear it, kudos to you Gruntling for mannign up.

[Weldar-Kazooie]

Gruntling that was nice of your for apologizing. I won't be happy if the others dont apologize, but I won't be mad either. I mean, its between Grey, GM2K and StarFox, and its not really my business.

In GM2K's defense, he didn't say anything in that 5 minute segment.

He was in the background.

[Soulreaper41392]

uh yeah if you weigh that much and post a shirtless pic you were kinda asking for it to begin with

but nice apology and stuff

[ConkerKing]

Since my post was edited for obvious reasons, I'll give a more detailed comment than before. It really was uncalled for, but it's not like everybody doesn't make mistakes. Grey, however, did it on purpose, because he's simply raw as fxck and honest as fxck. Which isn't a bad thing, but alot of people will find hurtful.

Gruntling, however, as far as I know, probably just made a mistake.

We're all only human.

[Sarge]

In GM2K's defense, he didn't say anything in that 5 minute segment.

He was in the background.

My apologies to him then, I thought I heard him say something...

[Chewy]

At least gruntlings nice enough too apologize, hes a really nice guy, grey on the the other hand, is a dick.

[Deebs]

At least gruntlings nice enough too apologize, hes a really nice guy, grey on the the other hand, is a dick.

He hasn't been online since, in his defense.

Though as I said before. I don't care if he apologizes or not.

[pinkbull]

I really hope StarFox wasn't insulted by this because if you're feeling insult from people on a radio podcast show, no matter how harsh then that's just kinda...sad.

[Deebs]

I really hope StarFox wasn't insulted by this because if you're feeling insult from people on a radio podcast show, no matter how harsh then that's just kinda...sad.

Did you even listen to it?

[Chewy]

He hasn't been online since, in his defense.

Though as I said before. I don't care if he apologizes or not.

I dont really think there is a way he could apologize after the harsh things he said.

[Pies]

Ah well at least SF knows that he ain't that under-appreciated with all this support and what not :)

[Deebs]

I dont really think there is a way he could apologize after the harsh things he said.

Yeah. I'd like to see him weasel his way out of this one.

[MetalHeroOfTime]

When did they say it in the podcast? I finally downloaded it, but I just want to skip to the part about StarFox.

[ConkerTribe]

Jesus Christ this forum went to shit. We're insulting members on podcasts and holding polls about how fat members are? What the hell are you people thinking? I thought this forum was more mature than the rest.

[Teto]

holding polls about how fat members are?

It was a joke, in my defence.

[pinkbull]

Did you even listen to it?

No because I don't care. But really, if people insult you about stuff on the internet why should you care at all?

[ConkerKing]

No because I don't care. But really, if people insult you about stuff on the internet why should you care at all?
Essentially this.

[StarFox]

If anybody wants the sound clip, I extracted it and posted it on my fileden account. If you want the link, Private Message me. A lot of those comments really WERE uncalled for, and I am not going to sleep until I get an apology to that smug, arrogant piece of shit.

[Shaz]

Good on you for apologizing Gruntling

[XSandion]

I just read some of those.
By the sounds of it, at least Gruntling apologised.
But Grey from the sounds of it was unacceptable.

[StarFox]

I just read some of those.
By the sounds of it, at least Gruntling apologised.
But Grey from the sounds of it was unacceptable.

Too true, femputer.

Also, may I add something else?

Who in their sane mind would even post such.... vile, disgusting things like that for everybody to hear? It's just not cool.

-1 listener.

[Airman]

StarFox rocks my socks :) <3

I didn't hear what was said or nothing, but if it's created the need for an apology thread, apologies should be delivered by all parties. Grey, from my experiences with him is a decent and in my case supportive person, so I don't see why he wouldn't apologise..

[Deebs]

so I don't see why he wouldn't apologise..

I said this before. He hasn't been online since.

[Jaco003]

You are forgiven. And besides, we have to learn to laugh at ourselves once in a while.

[Teto]

Unless your weight is being made fun of in the most horrible way possible. There's a point where it's past laughing at yourself and it becomes being laughed at and made fun of instead.

[Airman]

There's numerous explanations as to why he hasn't been online. When he does get online, theres no reason he shouldn't apologise.

[StarFox]

Doubt he will though. Honestly, I'm hoping he doesn't to prove what a self-centered, ignorant jackass he is.

[Mr 3vil]

Jesus Christ this forum went to shit. We're insulting members on podcasts and holding polls about how fat members are? What the hell are you people thinking? I thought this forum was more mature than the rest.

Than the rest of the interwebs?

No. Although it is much better compared to forums with spam, it's similar to many others.

The way I see it... more like this...

2009--------/\--/\--/
2008-------/--\/--\/
2007------/
2006-----/
2005----/
2004---/
2003--/
2002-/
2001/__________________________ x- time y-quality

Although you'll have to read the graph with time on the y-axis because I'm too lazy to make a nicer graph. The point of this graph is that the RWP has grown up till the arcade and has remained relatively the same. Quality can only grow so much before capping at a max potential and depressing by the fluctuation of active members.

By comparison to the Snitz... still better.

No because I don't care. But really, if people insult you about stuff on the internet why should you care at all?

I've been hearing this and variations of it thrown a lot at the RWP for the last five years. "It's just a forum, don't need to be so serious." "This is a gaming forum made about a bear and bird."

Honestly, it's all crap. We're still here because we do care or unless we're VERY bored (that's me). The people who don't care have been long gone (I know because I just wrote to one of them). Starfox has been willing to post a picture and it's because he trusted this website. The blame exists on both ends (Starfox for posting a picture anyways on the fattest member thread) and the mods for not following their own rules.

These things do hurt people and variations of the photo problem have existed throughout the last five years I've been on the RWP. Mewchan and her picture. xxx and the drama that has happened. Grey himself being a victim (xxx incident). The problem of lament and us showing photos of him...

So to say we shouldn't care and to say this is just ANOTHER REGULAR FORUM (Nope it's not special, it's like rare-extreme) is just saying you shouldn't be human at all.

[Jinjonator]

2009--------/\--/\--/
2008-------/--\/--\/
2007------/
2006-----/
2005----/
2004---/
2003--/
2002-/
2001/__________________________ x- time y-quality



That chart makes no sense. First time is just moving like normal, but then it kinda just hops in the DeLorean, and goes between '08 and '09.

[Teto]

As time goes on, quality increases and wavers a bit as it nears now is what I think is meant to be going on.

[Jinjonator]

Well, if the line is quality, all we can deduce from the chart is that A) quality got increasingly better as time went on and B) it can travel time.

[Airman]

I think he confused the x-axis and the y-axis. I noticed it a tad strange the quality was only going up by 1, and it just happened to begin at 2001.

[Hey, I'm Grump]

I hereby make this proclamation: If Grey Jinjo does not apologize for his comments, he must step down as Mod/admin whatever he may be. In agreeance?

[Aaron Anderson]

What the fxck iswrong with you people, Starfox got slandered so he must decide what kind of reprimands he wants.

[Pez]

As much as I think what Grey said is bad and I'm sorry that it happened to Starfox, he's a good friend of mine, but you guys have no right to say that Grey should step down as admin. Just because makes assholish remarks doesn't mean he can't admin.

[DekuScrubby]

I hereby make this proclamation: If Grey Jinjo does not apologize for his comments, he must step down as Mod/admin whatever he may be. In agreeance?

lol.


On topic, I hadn't really noticed. :-/

[repobanjo]

I hereby make this proclamation: If Grey Jinjo does not apologize for his comments, he must step down as Mod/admin whatever he may be. In agreeance?

That's ****ing hilarious. What's wrong with you?

[Hey, I'm Grump]

That's ****ing hilarious. What's wrong with you?

Clearly less then you with a overreactive response like that.

[Yiffgurl]

I was like the first person to listen to it but I closed out during the copyright part lol

I didn't hear it clearly but you guys are probably overreacting

[DekuScrubby]

Clearly less then you with a overreactive response like that.

Because your suggestion is totally reasonable, right?

[Hey, I'm Grump]

Because your suggestion is totally reasonable, right?

If Grey DOESN'T apologize, you believe he deserves to be an admin?

[repobanjo]

Clearly less then you with a overreactive response like that.

I had an overreactive response? Do you read your own posts? And you didn't even know if Grey is a mod or an admin. And who do you suggest to take his place then?

[DekuScrubby]

If Grey DOESN'T apologize, you believe he deserves to be an admin?

Grey's comments have nothing to do with his abilities as an admin, so I don't believe he should be removed from the staff regardless of whether he apologises or not.

[Hey, I'm Grump]

I had an overreactive response? Do you read your own posts? And you didn't even know if Grey is a mod or an admin. And who do you suggest to take his place then?

Who gives a shit if I knew what he was or not? And that isn't for us to decide. Probably a Moderator with experience and that person can be replaced by a senior member.

Drop the attitude as well. It isn't impressing anybody.

[repobanjo]

Who gives a shit if I knew what he was or not? And that isn't for us to decide. Probably a Moderator with experience and that person can be replaced by a senior member.

Drop the attitude as well. It isn't impressing anybody.

Hun, I wouldn't have this attitude if you weren't being so ridiculous right now. How about you stop trying to be such a public crusader for justice despite having only been here half a year? It's not impressing anyone.

Also, DekuScrubby took the words out of my mouth. I didn't know how to say what I wanted to say. Thanks man.

[Hey, I'm Grump]

Hun, I wouldn't have this attitude if you weren't being so ridiculous right now. How about you stop trying to be such a public crusader for justice despite having only been here half a year? It's not impressing anyone.

Also, DekuScrubby took the words out of my mouth. I didn't know how to say what I wanted to say. Thanks man.

Deku presented a fair argument. You, on the other hand attacked for the sake of attacking. I don't care if i've been here half a year or half a second, it was a suggestion, not a public referendum, Hun.

[Yiffgurl]

Demodding Grey for this would be like impeaching a president for having a sexual affair, just saying.

[Teto]

Clearly less then you with a overreactive response like that.

*than

Also, Grey is doing fine as an admin, but not as a human being. So he should keep his position.

[Kain Horward]

...Okay, I know I said I was leaving and all, but I had to come back for this.

I see that Gruntling has created this thread as an apolgy, but god damn! What the **** were you guys thinking when you put that in the podcast?! Did you think it was going to be "funny" (I assume so, since you usually put outtakes or humourous anctedotes at the end)?! I can forgive Gruntling, and GM2k wasn't part of it, but Grey...**** you, seriously. You can go jump off a bridge as far as I'm concerned. Too bad your over-inflated ego would keep you afloat though. You sir, are an asshole, a prick, and a douchebag, in no particular order. I'm glad I'm gone from this site, if this is how the forum leaders are going to treat their fellow members (how ironic that he's the "most under-appriciated" too). The worst part is I feel I'm to blame for starting this whole mess...StarFox didn't want to post a topless picture, but then I did and he gave in and posted one too. I'm sorry man, If I would've known this was going to happen I would'nt have done it :(

But seriously Grey, **** you. My best rl friend joined here a few years ago but left because he told me how much of a dick you were to him. Now I know why he left.

Good bye.

[Yiffgurl]

Internet is serious business guys

[Aaron Anderson]

Internet is serious business guys

That's why I'm leaving for now, bye!

[Siege]

Internet is serious business guys

Agreed. We must take this to court.

[Hey, I'm Grump]

An appropriate lolcat to break the Ice (http://www.roflcat.com/images/cats/270911970_db35fdd4ca.jpg) and i'm aware of the irony.

[kfred]

I was laughing when I heard it, because I wasn't really taking it seriously, and I didn't expect StarFox to take it seriously either. He did though, and it hurt him, I guess, so yeah, Grey should apologize, but it really isn't that big of a deal. Grey likes StarFox as far as I can tell from seeing them talking on the forums and in chat, and I'm sure he didn't actually mean to hurt him.

[xxjoesusxx]

I was laughing when I heard it, because I wasn't really taking it seriously, and I didn't expect StarFox to take it seriously either. He did though, and it hurt him, I guess, so yeah, Grey should apologize, but it really isn't that big of a deal. Grey likes StarFox as far as I can tell from seeing them talking on the forums and in chat, and I'm sure he didn't actually mean to hurt him.

This is something you guys have to consider as well. I know some bigger folks, and we're awful chummy, so we tend to rip and make some fat jokes at my bigger friends, just like they make jokes at me suffering from the beginning stages of male pattern baldness.

But none of these jokes are made with the intention of hurting the person, I make fat jokes at my fat friends, because I mostly know they are comfortable taking a little joke at themselves, and they aren't offended by it. Grey can be a bit of an ass, yeah, but I can't see him, or the rest of the podcast staff for that matter, putting that in the final podcast if they knew 100% that StarFox would be offended by it, sometimes in the heat of the moment, the jokers just think the joke is a joke, and are dead convinced no one will think otherwise.

Not defending Grey, and not 100% ripping on him either, just try and think of it from both sides.

[Yiffgurl]

This is something you guys have to consider as well. I know some bigger folks, and we're awful chummy, so we tend to rip and make some fat jokes at my bigger friends, just like they make jokes at me suffering from the beginning stages of male pattern baldness.

But none of these jokes are made with the intention of hurting the person, I make fat jokes at my fat friends, because I mostly know they are comfortable taking a little joke at themselves, and they aren't offended by it. Grey can be a bit of an ass, yeah, but I can't see him, or the rest of the podcast staff for that matter, putting that in the final podcast if they knew 100% that StarFox would be offended by it, sometimes in the heat of the moment, the jokers just think the joke is a joke, and are dead convinced no one will think otherwise.

Not defending Grey, and not 100% ripping on him either, just try and think of it from both sides.

This is pretty much my stance on it too. If they had gone -StarFox +me (since we're both about the same size) I probably would have laughed, I mean I haven't listened to it but from what it sounds like they were just dicking around, not trying to make him feel bad.

Seriously just lighten up, people. Quit gettin' mad at the internet.

[StarFox]

This is something you guys have to consider as well. I know some bigger folks, and we're awful chummy, so we tend to rip and make some fat jokes at my bigger friends, just like they make jokes at me suffering from the beginning stages of male pattern baldness.

But none of these jokes are made with the intention of hurting the person, I make fat jokes at my fat friends, because I mostly know they are comfortable taking a little joke at themselves, and they aren't offended by it. Grey can be a bit of an ass, yeah, but I can't see him, or the rest of the podcast staff for that matter, putting that in the final podcast if they knew 100% that StarFox would be offended by it, sometimes in the heat of the moment, the jokers just think the joke is a joke, and are dead convinced no one will think otherwise.

Not defending Grey, and not 100% ripping on him either, just try and think of it from both sides.
The thing is, I'm not particularly friends with them, so technically, this is coming from complete strangers.

[DekuScrubby]

Just like to interject that there are far bigger assholes than Grey on the forums who we aren't raging at.

[DevilBanjo]

Coming from Grey, I'm honestly not surprised. StarFox did nothing to deserve this.

[Yiffgurl]

Okay, so after a PM from an anonymous source, I listened to it. There is a difference between joking and being a jackass, and that definitely was the latter. I definitely get where you are all coming from now.

[Pies]

It should of not even been said in the first place.

I know it is just "The Internet" and half of you are "hard as nails" on the Internet and don't "give a damn what everyone says", but I think of RWP as a family "yadayadayada" and all that.

And what happened on the podcast is what I would expect from school bullies on a playground and it's great that Gruntling said sorry and all that, and Grey hasn't even been online since this happened, but it shouldn't of been put in the podcast.

[Deebs]

I don't know why you guys even want an apology. I won't accept an apology from him.

[Teto]

OMG Grey shud b promoted to super admin

wat do u think guise?

But seriously, if he did post an apology, I doubt it would be sincere knowing what I do about him.

[Deebs]

omgyes

[hardband]

OMG Grey shud b promoted to super admin

wat do u think guise?

But seriously, if he did post an apology, I doubt it would be sincere knowing what I do about him.

Yer! He be da bomb! I mean who else id going to give us an insulting usertitle, he chooses? o-O

[Yiffgurl]

Grey won't post an apology because he doesn't feel sorry. If he does post on this topic he'll say that he's "sorry it was taken seriously" or something.

[xxjoesusxx]

I haven't heard it myself, so I'm not sure how offensive it is. Regardless, I'm sorry he offended you StarFox.

And DekuScrubby is right, outside of this incident, there are far more offensive people on the RWP then grey.

[RiderOnTheStorm]

Yer! He be da bomb! I mean who else id going to give us an insulting usertitle, he chooses? o-O

...Huh.

[Aaron Anderson]

...Huh.

For once I must agree with you Rider.

Also, there are far more souless, evil and selfish people out there but that doesn't excuse anyone.

[DekuScrubby]

Yet somehow they don't warrant complaints?

[wkw427]

I just heard it.. Absolutely uncalled for. Makes me think what people say about me behind my back.

Gruntling, you earn respect for pointing out what you did wrong in the first place..

[Deebs]

Where are you guys getting the original recording from?!?

[wkw427]

I'm not going to tell for sake of privicy

[Yiffgurl]

star fox

[wkw427]

Well if he sent it out no reason not to say.. I didn't get it from him though

[Yiffgurl]

Why does it matter who sent it anyway?

[wkw427]

I'm not sure really..

[StarFox]

I have the recording, I should be able to do with it what I chose. Honestly, it was totally uncalled for, and I will make sure everyone who asks me will hear it.

[Deebs]

Why does it matter who sent it anyway?

Because we shouldn't be sending it around.

[Dinoshaur]

I only heard the edited version so I don't know what they said, but do they not insult GM2K about his accent? That's not really appropriate. Just saying.

[DekuScrubby]

That's just comedic teasing, though.They're jealous of GM2K's awesome voice.

[Deebs]

I only heard the edited version so I don't know what they said, but do they not insult GM2K about his accent? That's not really appropriate. Just saying.

Because he didn't say anything.

[Tediz Slayer]

I don't really listen to the podcasts, but I'm behind StarFox all the way. <3

[Dinoshaur]

That's just comedic teasing, though.They're jealous of GM2K's awesome voice.

Well what's the difference? With starfox it was just comedic teasing, but someone took offence this time. Eh?

[StarFox]

Well what's the difference? With starfox it was just comedic teasing, but someone took offence this time. Eh?No. It was not comedic teasing with me. It was 5 minutes of hell. You have to hear it to believe it. It's just... I can't even describe.

[DekuScrubby]

Well what's the difference? With starfox it was just comedic teasing, but someone took offence this time. Eh?

Topics consisting primarily of "X is a douchebag" and "X should be stripped of his powers" should not break out every time someone takes offense to something.

[Soulreaper41392]

Cause drama

Clamor for attention

really enjoying the low levels of self esteem and dignity here

[StarFox]

Actually, I forgot to say, I'm not mad at GM2K (been thinking about AIM convo last night... and even though he was chuckling like a hyena, he is forgiven), but I still am at Gruntling and I am furious at Grey.

[Ice Mario]

Get a blog.

[Grey Jinjo]

Maybe I would feel at least of hint of sorriness if it weren't for the following facts:

1) What was said on the podcast was said prior to the podcast even starting. It was a "post-show" in appearance, but it was more of a pre-show in actual recording. It was Gruntling, GM2K and I talking amongst ourselves before even beginning our introductions. As such, it obviously wasn't intended as something to make the cut. As I wasn't the one who edited the show together, I wasn't the one who decided to make it a public matter.

2) Each and every one of you has made an insulting remark about somebody at some point (many throughout your life). If you really think you are a better person because no one heard it, you are just looking for excuses to get to sleep at night.

3) Each and every one of you has heard fat jokes made and either laughed, or, at the very least, passed it off as non-humorous without begrudging the joke teller. The ONLY reason you guys think this particular situation is worse than usual is because StarFox is in your monkeysphere. If we had Google'd a picture of a random guy and started making fun of it, providing the appropriate link to it, not one member would have been up in arms about it.

4) Over the past five or so years I have read hundreds of rude comments behind my back in the RWP's chat logs, at spin-off sites like Real Discussion and Absurd Foolishness, and in private chats between two members via other mediums like AIM when one member of the chat would send it to me. For a good while, the entire point of RD was for members to sign up and bash me. These comments span over a hundred different members and range from minor insults about my body type to threats against my life. I've had all of my personal information posted, photos of me uploaded and distributed without my consent, and groups formed for the specific intention of screwing around with my personal life. Me being the villain for talking behind someone's back is laughable given the history of the RWP's community.

The only thing I am sorry about is that the private conversation was posted publicly and thus became public humiliation. At the time it was just light conversation between the three hosts with no ill intentions toward StarFox. The fact that Gruntling, one of the most passive and friendly members in the RWP's entire history, was participating should have clued you guys into that.

[Andre]

I'd just like to say something, as I guess I am the "father" of the podcast.

I completely and fully back everything that Grey just said. You guys first need to understand that this very clearly and very obviously a joke. Leah told me that this was some massively dramatic thing that would make me hate Grey, and then we listened to it. We laughed our asses off, as most of you probably did. It's no different then when we make fun of GM2K's accent every week. We don't mean it, it's just harmless fun.

Starfox, I'm glad to see that you enjoy being the center of attention. I think that if you didn't want people to talk about your weight, maybe you shouldn't have posted in a thread titled "RWP's Fattest Member." Any claim of grief or pain probably was exaggerated. Stop bitching and understand that it's the Internet, and people like to have fun.