your favorite "Super Smash Bros. Meele" Characters

[P.o.t.O]

Who's yer favorite and Why?

Mine?

Prince Marth, cause that katana is soooo cool!

[Grey Jinjo]

This is a bad game to get me started on. =P.

My favorite character is fox. He is fast, and agile. His arial down A along with his dash grab throw down leaves you in for open oppurtunity to get in another attack, especially a Down B to skid the enemy away out from the line of danger.

His reflector is useful if executed correctly, even at close range for attacking. Plus it allows you jump immediately. Technically speaking, if you were fast enough, his down B could be the fastest in the game.

He also L cancels nicely on all of his attacks. You can also pop out a random laser here and there for a nice little 3% advantage boost. Plus, if you did that shot in the air, the move recovers instantly upon relanded.

His weight is nice. His jumps are quick and tactile allowing easy movement and evasion in the air. His wave dashing abillity can lag because of the speed of his ascent and descent, but most of the time you can find another method of dodging your enemy.

His phantasm also makes for a BEAUTIFUL edge grab-recovery. It is easy to counter a firefox onto the ledge, but it is harder to prevent someone from doing a direct phantasm grip.

So yeah, gotta love Fox...

[P.o.t.O]

wow, that beats my explanation by a long shot...

[original banjo]

uh, yeah. donkey kong. most people dont like him, but i have used him since super smash bros., and i really like him. first off, immediately, power. if you can keep from being hit long enough, you can have a fully charged punch, then just dodge around an enemy attack, and you have them. plus, his down b move is good if you ever get surrounded, as well as his up-b. one more word. launchers.

[Grey Jinjo]

Well, actually, he's just hated in SSB64. Since his speed increase in Melee, more people have started using him =).

"first off, immediately, power" - Yeah his power is good, but it HAS been toned down since 64. His attacks are still strong, but Ganon/Bowser definitely have him slaughtered in the pure strength division.

"if you can keep from being hit long enough, you can have a fully charged punch" - I don't know if you know this, but if a person comes close to you you can press L to stop charging up the punch, then you can press B again later to resume. This even works in air, and lets you move whatever way you want, so its signifficently better than rolling to cancel it.

"his down b move is good if you ever get surrounded" Yeah, unless the people you're playing with have good reaction time and they jump, and then you're screwed because of the slow ground recovery of that move.

"one more word. launchers." - I'm not following that part.

Another note is, at higher percents forward B is a good move on the ground. If you have perfect timing, you can also guarantee a fully charged punch on them immediately afterwards. The only problem is its long execution move that may leave alot of people dodging the attack. Doing it in the air helps a bit, but eh, the moves just freakin slow =P.

[Nick98]

For looks, Dr. Mario in a Black coat.

But Fox over all is my best and fave character. Not because of what Mr. Showoff over there said. :p Just because I usually use him when I'm playing, and plus that reflection thing always ticks my brother off. :rolleyes:

[original banjo]

yes, more poeple have started using donkey kong since the first one, and for all you people, i feel a very high disdain. donkey kong was the bomb in the first one. of course it could be because i used him so much. (i got so good with donkey kong in the original that i could beat 3 cpus on a team with them all on level nine against me. i really wish that talent had come over with ssb:m, but alas, in not near as good. oh well.)

[Grey Jinjo]

Well, the reason he is better in Melee than SSB64 is because Melee is all about placement. You have to be in the right place, at the right time. Theres a little bit speed, but its mostly placement.

SSB64 on the other hand is pure speed. There is no placement, no escaping. Its whoever can do what they have to do fastest.

9/10 an experienced Fox, Pikachu, or C. Falcon use will walk all over your Donkey Kong in SSB64.

On the other hand, in Melee, speed and juggleing isn't as much of an issue. Its placement, dodging, and the like.

I'm the opposite of you, I SUCK at SSB64, and I'm alright in Melee. I still can't fight awesomely. I'm a stadium player...

[original banjo]

i beg to differ. hal laboratories had enough foresight to include a dodge in the original ssb. i believe that the original is all about the throws. putting enough damage on someone so that you can eventually throw them to thier death. in ssb:m, its all about puting enough damage on them so that you can do a smash a attackf and kill them. (oh yeah, maybe a good fox or cap. falcon might stand a chance against me, but pikachu? no offense to anyone who likes pikachu, but give me a break. if you ever get a punch charged up, they are toast. dodge one simple attack and BAM! their gone, never to return.) so i still like donkey kong.

[Grey Jinjo]

But the way the game engine is, it is based directly on speed. The only real dodging method is little tid bits that people have found to dodge, aside from the roll.

If you are playing against a good Fox, Falcon, Or Pikachu fighter, you should NEVER be able to grab them. Ever. The engine was written in the favor of the faster opponent.

Plus DK's recovery alone left him in to die. For example, say you did an Up B, and actually made it back on land (Which probably wouldn't happen with todays Edge Guarders...) but say you did. Your Up B takes so long to recover that a fox can jump in, down A, start a juggle that you CAN NOT get out of, bringing you to a high percent, then dispose of you accordingly.

In the time it takes for DK to do his punch, or even some A moves, Fox could roll out of the way, small jump forward, arial forward A, L cancel, roll left, and put you into a nearly unescapable juggle.

[original banjo]

hmm. the trick is not to let that happen then, huh? :D

[Grey Jinjo]

But it is inevitable, because Donkey Kong isn't fast enough to stop it.

See the problem now :P.

In Melee, you can just power shield, or wave dash under Fox. In this game you're pretty much just screwed. The engine was definitely written with speed in mind...

[original banjo]

ah, but then again, the game of chess clearly favors white, the advantage going to the one who gets to move first. that is still no assurance of a victory for white, if you are going to tell me that black doesnt win its fair share of games, ill eat my shoe. (grey, i dont want this to escalate into flaming. i dont figure it would, but ill go ahead and say that we should most definately keep this a friendly discussion.)

[P.o.t.O]

Just to put this even more off topic:

I like chess and playing it.


and to put it back on topic:

I suppose I also like Marth because of the suprisingly wide range of attacks he has. The Dolphin Slash is just plain powerful if you hit the guy just right, and if you dodge an oppenent and he has his back to you, you can use the combo attack and knock his damage up to a good 54% (if you don't kill him.)

But still, that katana rocks!!!

[Grey Jinjo]

So far its flame free, and thats the way I intend to keep it =P.

Yes, DK is clearly disadvantaged but he can win. Anyone CAN win. For example, Fox could easily slip up and midtime the juggle. This would give you time to Arial down A L cancel and break free.

People are not perfect at doing everything. Anytime someone slips up, you can easily capitalize on their mistake. In a perfect game, DK would most likely get mauled, but luckily we're far from a world where there will be a perfect game controlld by humans.

I'm also basing the fights on extreme expertise. Most people only fight against computers, and yes, DK can win every single fight against a computer if you are good enough =).

[original banjo]

i see your point. its kinda like Liu Kang in the Mortal Kombat series. If there was a perfect fight, then he would win every time. high fireball if you jump, low fireball if you are standing, never let em get close. but me, i take the underdog, like sub-zero and donkey kong. i still believe that none of the ssbm characters are fast enough to dodge every attack, henceforth, all the extra attacks fox gets in is paralleled to the powerful few that donkey kong gets in. personally, i believe the field that you play on has a lot to do with a fight. the general engine may favor the fastest character, but certain batttlefields favor the more powerful. vice versa, some also favor the faster character, so to really decide this, you would need to have both the most powerful, and the fastest characters that were perfect, and have them fight on all the fileds with either a pretty high time or life limit, and then see who wins the most.

[Grey Jinjo]

Eh, the only real difference is within the linear stages (The Great Fox) and the platformy versitile stages (Yoshi's Island). The only reason for that is the platforms call for more arial moves and can screw up the juggles I described earlier. It is also harder to protect a cloud AND a ledge on Yoshi's island.

But yeah, the minute differences can throw off some abillities of both characters.

[original banjo]

finally, we found a middle ground. it was starting to look as if it might get ugly. dont get me wrong, i would never resort to violence.

*sneaks mallet behind back and chuckles nervously*

yeah, anyway, so, did we agree to disagree, or what.

oh yeah, to get back on topic, i also like to play as link. not a bad character overall, and he has better long distance moves than anyone else.

[Grey Jinjo]

In SSB64 or SSB:Melee? O_o.

In Melee, he's incredibly fun to use on the computers and such =). I just him all the time. His versitillity is great. On the other hand...

An experienced player will maul you. Bad. X_X.

Link's Up A and Down A are some very powerful arial moves though. Their only problem is that their recovery is so bad that even when you DO L cancel to speed up recovery, they still take forever to recover. Lol.

Young Link is faster, and his weaponry is better, but his Up A and Down A lack. Personally, I prefer Young Link out of the two though, his air dodge and just is smoother...

[original banjo]

hmm, it is true, young link is good, but he just lacks something, I dont know. truthfully, this is kinda stupid, i think its because his taunt is drinking lon lon milk, which heals him in the games, and does nothing for him in ssb:m, stupid, yeah, but it bothers me. links real redeeming quiality for me is his bombs and his quick aaa combo.

oh yeah, and links smash a where he sweeps twice with his sword is a pretty good attack if you ask me.

[Grey Jinjo]

Yeah, on the other hand, it doesn't even TAKE good reaction to dodge the second swing of that move, and since the second swing does the majority of the damage + the smashing, ehn...

The evillest AAA combo in my opinion is C. Falcons. Its annoying, and the CPU likes it do it every 5 seconds -_-.

Bah, Links bomb. You can usually catch links bombs before they even hit you =P. I like using Z let go with Link's bombs inside of enemies, because even if they do grab it or something, its enough distraction to ground a different attack on them.

The only part I don't like about Young Link's taunt is...IT TAKES TOO FREAKIN LONG. I mean come on, its like 3x the length of the second longest taunt in the game. Lol.

[original banjo]

thats true about his smash a. but, you can sometimes catch someone in the middle of something and hit them with it.

captain falcon, fox, and kirby all have annoying aaa combos. kirby especially to me. like event number 28. did anyone else find that troublesome trying to do it any other way besides dk's down-b move?

links bomb is allright, better if there is more than just you and someone else. like 4 people playing. wait until they are distracted with each other and toss one in. very effective.

it would have been nice if his taunt had healed like 2% damage, not much, but for it to take that long, it would be nice to get something in return.

[Grey Jinjo]

"like event number 28. did anyone else find that troublesome trying to do it any other way besides dk's down-b move? " - Wait...Which one was that? I don't remember.

"links bomb is allright, better if there is more than just you and someone else. like 4 people playing. wait until they are distracted with each other and toss one in. very effective. " - Two words. Power Shielding =P.

[original banjo]

""like event number 28. did anyone else find that troublesome trying to do it any other way besides dk's down-b move? " Wait...Which one was that? I don't remember. "

thats the one where there is all the kirbys with all the copied powers. very hard because the swarm you.

""links bomb is allright, better if there is more than just you and someone else. like 4 people playing. wait until they are distracted with each other and toss one in. very effective. " - Two words. Power Shielding =P."

thats true, but you cant always power sheild in time if you are trying to take care of someone else, as you may not see it in time either.

[Grey Jinjo]

Oh. I beat the kirbys using...any...other...characters doing...any...other...move. Its not that hard, OR that long. >_>'.

Yeah, but if you are fighting someone else, you can air dodge or wave dash and the bomb will hit them instead. So unless you capitalize on the recovery of their air dodge (if its a wave dash, there is none) then you only really slightly benefitted yourself. Although, hey, that slight benefit can help you in the long run.

[original banjo]

i guess it was just harder for me than it should have been. oh well. some things are harder for some people than others.

something i forgot to mention earlier. fox's dash move is pretty god, except for when you are fighting a good mario player. if you are using the dash to recover, then all they have to do is swing their cape and spin you around, and you are dead. ive had it happen before. :)

[Grey Jinjo]

Not if you do it directly into an edge. I don't mean phantasm, and land on the edge...I mean be parallel to the edge, and phantasm DIRECTLY onto it so you grab it. The cape shouldn't effect you if you're that low...unless Mario jumps off the edge and does it, in which case you need some LUCKILY LUCKILY timing.

[original banjo]

i see your point. its a little too risky for my taste though. i personally dont like hanging on an edge, it can be helpful, but a person can just stand back, wait to see how you are gonna get back on the field, and attack.

by the way, has anyone mastered using links hookshot to grab onto an edge yet? i havent even been able to do it once.

[Grey Jinjo]

I usually do it with an Air dodge first. Do an air dodge, and then press the hookshot button. Gives you that extra reach and the short freeze in mid air gives you more control over your character so you can actually think about what you are doing clearly.

[original banjo]

my main problem is realizing how long it takes. i either do it way too early, or way too late. oh, and can you do it on every platform? or just certain ones. if you can do it on every one, how large is the leeway you have?

[Grey Jinjo]

What do you mean? You can do the hookshot thing onto most walls, and sides of the platform. After hookshotting I usually press A to jump and Up B afterwards just in case. But this can leave you over for another smash off the edge =/.

I use the air dodge+hookshot for recovery alot anyway. If I'm really close to the edge, and I don't want to Up B because it leaves you open for attack, I'll air dodge and then hookshot to remove the recovery of the air dodge.

[original banjo]

say youre on the great fox at venom, with only the little wings to grab onto. how do you perform it then? personally, i have never really found a time when it would be more benificial to do that than his up-b. like i said before, i dont like hanging on edges.

[Grey Jinjo]

You...Phantasm right into it. Its a hard manuever to get use to, but its very beneficial when you master it.

[original banjo]

lol, i was talking about trying to shoot it with the hookshot.

[Grey Jinjo]

Oh, you don't, then you Up B because you have no other choice =P. Either that or you do the air dodge hookshot eliminate recovery method, if you're close enough. I think you CAN hookshot that little thing actually, but I wouldn't suggest trying, its so small X_X.

[original banjo]

ah, to get away from that, isn't mario supposed to be the most balanced? urgo, he should be the best character in the game. right? i mean, thats how it works with all the other games in existence. or at least ones that put you up against other people. the one that is the most balanced should fight the best. although, i have found that realistic characters fight better.

[Grey Jinjo]

Ergo*

Yeah, Mario is a pretty good balanced fighter. On the other hand most experienced Mario players prefer Doctor Mario. I don't know exactly why, but I'm sure theres a good reason. I don't use the Mario's, nor read up on them much. Their balanceness tends to lead me away from them in actuallity...Its like if there were three guys, a really clean one, a really dirty one, and a normal one, you'd be least enthralled by the normal one.

[original banjo]

yeah, you are right about ergo. just a misspelling.

i think the difference between the marios does make dr. mario better, just use them in sandbag competition.

personally, mario is allright, but i prefer luigi. (i always have, underdog you know.) yeah, and i think most people find one characteristic that they like, and pick someone that excells in that area. mario has nothing that excells, so, thats the reason i dont pick him.

[Grey Jinjo]

Actually, Mario does better in the sandbag competition by far =P.

Luigi?! Wha. I think Luigi is one of the worst characters in the game, but some have proven otherwise. Although his wave dash is 2x better than the second best wave dash =P.

[P.o.t.O]

Hey Grey,

Luigi can do damage with his taunt. No one else can do that.

[Grey Jinjo]

Its like, 3 %, and it takes forever the execute. If you can actually hit someone with your taunt, they shouldn't be allowed to play Melee =P.

[original banjo]

i dont know what you are doin, but i have never gotten as good using mario with sandbag as i have with dr. mario. doing the exact same things. ill go play it again, just to make sure.

lol, i didnt say that luigi was better, i just like playin with him more. his smash moves are terrible, but he does have a better fireball. he also has good recobvery. if im going to play with one of the brothers, its usually luigi. ive always been a fan. go super mario world 2, he was awesome then.

[Hakey Wake]

Best character in Melee?

I'd have to go with, as much as I hate saying this, Shiek. His moves are so fast and fluid, and most (if not all) of them have next to no lag whatsoever, and so many annoying combos can commence.

Sheik doesn't really have any power at all, but when you can keep hitting your oppoent without receiving any damage in return, does that really matter?

I don't have a favourite character really, I never use Yoshi,Pichu,Peach,Zelda/Shiek,Pikachu or Jigglypuff though.

[original banjo]

im sure it was just a typo, as everyone knows this, but, sheik is *ahem*, male.

[Grey Jinjo]

I have like, 2,200 with Doctor Mario, and almost 3,000 feet with Mario in the Homerun Contest. I'll...add my scores to the highscores topic after I eat.

"His moves are so fast and fluid" Well yeah alot of (Not all) of his moves are pretty fast and nice.

"and most (if not all) of them have next to no lag whatsoever" A couple of them have recovery after landing. His smash attack I believe is also a multiple, which you can't stop.

"Sheik doesn't really have any power at all, but when you can keep hitting your oppoent without receiving any damage in return, does that really matter?" Well, see, the thing is expecting not to be hurt is...stupid :P. Especially if you're going against a faster character. You ARE going to get hit. And I suggest morphing back to Zelda for the finishing smash...

"im sure it was just a typo, as everyone knows this, but, sheik is *ahem*, male." Shiek is a woman. Its Zelda in a costume. -_-.

[Hakey Wake]

Originally posted by Grey Jinjo
"Sheik doesn't really have any power at all, but when you can keep hitting your oppoent without receiving any damage in return, does that really matter?" Well, see, the thing is expecting not to be hurt is...stupid :P. Especially if you're going against a faster character. You ARE going to get hit. And I suggest morphing back to Zelda for the finishing smash....

Yeah, and also transforming to Zelda to get back onto the edge can also be useful. (I find).

[original banjo]

when you quoted my *ahem* male, i used it as fecicism. if you will read what i replied to, you will find out that they said he referring to sheik, and i was correcting them. anyway.

[Hakey Wake]

Originally posted by original banjo
when you quoted my *ahem* male, i used it as fecicism. if you will read what i replied to, you will find out that they said he referring to sheik, and i was correcting them. anyway.

Does it really matter? Does it really?

[robotjinjo]

NO







GOT IT







That was pointless.

[Jake]

Dr. Mario, Mario, and Roy.

[cyberen]

all I know is that the graphics in that game kick ASS!

[robotjinjo]

Mr. Game and Watch, Roy, Kirby, Yoshi, Ganondorf

[tooiedude]

I don't really have a favorite for different parts of the game there all good.... but i suppose if i really hade to chose it would be samus because he is so versatile and easy to use.

[Mumbo BT]

Fox is also my favorite character cause I like his speed...

Grey: :eek: I gotta try some of them methods you posted!

[Eaichu250]

I'm pretty good with most of the characters. I've taken a liking to using whomever, since I've practiced quite a bit with all of them in order to learn weaknesses and strengths. While I'm good with all of them, the characters that I prefer to use in matches are Marth, Jigglypuff and Mario, since they're all my favorites.

[Benjo Koolzooie]

Uhm. Yoshi is my fav! I am unbeatable with him.

One of his strongest points is his aerial moves, hip drops, flutter kicks. He is a great juggler and can do some great smash attacks! He can get back up on the the edges of stages well, and using the B move to turn in to an egg, you can increase your changes of getting closer to a ledge if you are far away from it.

Uhm, his meteor attacks are awesome aswell. You have to love them eggs he can throw.

[Minjo Hunter]

*Does Falco's cheer*
Fallllllcooo
Fallllllcooo

He has the fastest spike in the game.
He has alot of launcher moves.
He has a very high and fast jump.
He is pretty fast.
He is a cool charcter with a cool taunt

Unfortunatly he is light and has a short range B-up and B-forward.
But if you can avoid being hit, you wont have to worry about that.

Im not saying he's the best for everyone though. I dont want to have a tier dicussion. Im sick of all that crap on the game faqs board.

[Benjo Koolzooie]

That is one thing I don't like...the cheer for Yoshi..
When they cheer they sound like zombies...
:D

[Minjo Hunter]

lol The worst is Ganondorf.

GANANDOOOOORRRRRF
GANANDOOOOORRRRRF

[P.o.t.O]

I never understood the chants.

Then again, I never understand anything...

*sigh*, I feel stoned.

[Mystery Man]

I'd say Roy is my favorite, captain falcon coming in 2nd, then mario in 3rd. nobody can beat me. not even you grey
YES, THAT IS A CHALLENGE

[Hakey Wake]

Oh yeah? I'll challenge you!....That is....unless the Atlantic Ocean gets in the in the way.....:(

[Minjo Hunter]

Ok heres a test to test your ssbm knowledge
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What is teching?

What is L-canceling?

What is wavedashing?

What is a spike?

Have you ever watched any SSBM videos? (they help you get good)

Have you been to smashboards or gamefaqs ssbm board?

Bonus: Who are the top tiers?
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Im just giving you a friendly quiz. The people at gamefaqs would chew your head off for saying that. lol

Heres my favorite ssbm movie site.
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/ssbm/

[Hakey Wake]

The only SSB:Melee video i've ever seen was that Ganondorf video of the Homerun Contest, where he got over 3000 meters in it........I can only get 1360. :(

[Minjo Hunter]

All right! I just found out today that I might get to go to a ssbm tornament. I have to get ready for it. It is on August 23. It's hard to find a tournament in Florida. Wish me luck! :D :D :D :D

[Hakey Wake]

Win it for us MH! And good luck.

As far as I know, there aren't any torunaments for SSB:Melee in Scotland. :(

[Minjo Hunter]

I'm going to be Falco, but If I face any good Marth players, ill be in trouble. I have the toughest time against him. Anyone know some good counter combos?

[Gruntling]

I use Mario and Peach a lot. Mario is really well-rounded in all areas so doesn't have many weaknesses. Peach's floating jump is really valuable as well.

[Isaac2]

Mario is the best. I kick major butt with him. Whenever I play as him I never lose really.

[Minjo Hunter]

I agree. I think the mario bros are very under rated because people think of them as beginer characters. Im currently practicing with dr.mario right now.

If anyone is intrested, I made it to the semi finals in that tournament.

[Isaac2]

I always win with Mario. In any kind of mode I play, I always win. If SMBM could be played online, I'd show you.

[Hakey Wake]

Originally posted by Isaac2
I always win with Mario. In any kind of mode I play, I always win. If SMBM could be played online, I'd show you.

Let's not fall into an 'I'm better than you' debate here. Personally, I'd be impressed if you could type 'SSB:M' correctly before ever considering playing you.

Wait........was that a contradiction? :eek:

-hides-

[Grey Jinjo]

Teching is when you are hit and press L before hitting the ground to recover immediately. Holding down is sometimes more beneficial than just pushing it because rolling upon impact can set you up for an attack.

L cancelling is when you press L right before impact to remove recovery time from an attack so you can move immediately.

Wave dashing...There are tons of forms. There is actual wave dashing, where you jump and air dodge diagonally towards the ground to slide. Of course, if you don't slide it is just reffered to as a triangle jump.

A spike is a move that hurls your opponent downwards. Very useful in HRC.

I've watched over 150 movies from Super Joppe's GIANT FTP Server which was TONS of mega bytes large and contained videos from France, Australlia, The US, Japan, and more.

I've been to both forums.

And tiers don't exist. If you think they do you're a incoherent loser who scribes for easy ways out =P.

[Benjo Koolzooie]

At the end of the day you can have a best and favorite character, but you are always going to be beaten eventually, either it be luck or because of your oppnents skill.

In most cases it can be luck.

[Isaac2]

They outta make this game Online useable. It'd be cool to face different people from around the world with their use of fighting.

[richard_h]

it would be cool but lag would be realy important in a game involving such quick reactions...so I dont think it is feasable (well not while so many ppl dont have access to BB)

[Grey Jinjo]

Actually, I think there IS an SSB64 online version. I think it was custom made or something...or you had to download it...or I really have no idea, I just remember malva, Smashbro, PDM and a couple other very dedicated SSB64 players talking about it.

[Andre]

Personally my favorite charectors are Kirby and Mewtwo. That's it!

[P.o.t.O]

I can't believe this has survived this long.

[BlueBreegull]

Well it hasn't; it just got dug up yesterday.

My breegull sense informs me that I have not posted here yet. So...I better.

MY FAVORITE CHARACTER is Link. I can beat anyone with him. After that, Mewtwo.

[Grey Jinjo]

Originally posted by BlueBreegull
MY FAVORITE CHARACTER is Link. I can beat anyone with him. After that, Mewtwo. [/B]

Beat anyone with Link O_o
Mewtwo a favorite o_O
O_O

[BlueBreegull]

WHAT?! Are you implying that you can beat anyone with Link, and that Mewtwo is your favorite? Or did I misinterpret? If not...that's kinda cool.

[Grey Jinjo]

No no no, I just find it out. Usually people go "Link sucks he can't beat anyone!" and "I hate Mewtwo the worst!". I heard reverse of both in the same post. I found it odd.

Personally I like Link's versatillity, and the deadly power of his aerial down and up A. Although Fox is my best character for beating down people, Young Link is my favorite to PLAY as. I only prefer Young Link because of his minor improvement in speed, although his aerial attacks don't kill as Much as Links =P.

Mewtwo...eh...I don't HATE him, but I don't care for him much. I like his double jump though. Depending on the direction you're facing, moving, and what attack you do, and exactly what time you do it, the second jump can go as far as half the stage or not move upwards at all =P.

[devil bottles]

i like luigi

[golden jiggy]

kirby, the titchy blob is cute and deadly. those who call him insutling nicknames will die! mwahahahaaaaaaaaaa .

um, sorry got carried away there. ill be going now.:p

[R Hunter]

I'd have to agree kirby is one of if not the best Characters
In SSBM

Personally I like to think of kirby as the master of the ultimate fighting style:
observe your foe
study his weaknesses
learn his fighting style

and use all of these against him

[Kaz da Breegull]

Hmm... I like a lot of characters, but I'll say Falco. He's fairly fast, has good attacks, and all that good stuff. That Reflector move is uber-cheap in All-Star mode. X3 And I think birds are cool. Yep.

I have some other favorites, too... Fox is pretty similar to Falco, so he's good. The two Fire Emblem boys are great, too. And they're quite the bishounen, heehee... er... *cough* It's true! They are!

[Grey Jinjo]

Originally posted by R Hunter
I'd have to agree kirby is one of if not the best Characters
In SSBM

Personally I like to think of kirby as the master of the ultimate fighting style:
observe your foe
study his weaknesses
learn his fighting style

and use all of these against him

No, Kirby is fairly bad. No well off B moves, Most of his A moves are based off consecutive hit, and his smash attacks aren't all that powerful. His only real advantage is his amazing suicide murder abilities =P.

I hate Brock...We'll play smash brothers...he'll just suck me up and freefall off an edge, or do a backwards throw off the cliff. Bah...

[R Hunter]

I agree with you on some points grey
mainly that using those cheap methods to win are playing REAL low but kirby has some great moves as do all the characters it's just a question of mastery with a character

if you and i were to fight for example i'd study how you fought and find weak spots to target. Every person fights differently i know but each character has limits to thier movements all you have to do is find them

...why did i type all this?:p

[Grey Jinjo]

Yeah but I don't believe in a solid character, although I do use Fox alot. I don't even necessarily believe in tiers and vantage points. Personally I go for changeable experience =).

For instance, if someone is beating me because I attack too slow, I'll take a character like Shiek. Or maybe I'm getting smacked up with projectiles...which is rare, but if thats the case, I'd take one of the guys with a reflect, or Ness's shield, or Game N' Watch's bucket.

I don't believe in using a universal character to beat all the others. I believe true experience is knowing the characters and knowing which character is best for which instance.

But thats just my opinion.

EDIT: WHY did I say Samus? Samus is NOT a fast character...

[Hakey Wake]

Originally posted by R Hunter
I'd have to agree kirby is one of if not the best Characters
In SSBM

Personally I like to think of kirby as the master of the ultimate fighting style:
observe your foe
study his weaknesses
learn his fighting style

and use all of these against him

Eh........... HAL ruined Kirby from the original, he used to be so much better. :(

Now I very rarely go him as he is very light and underpowered, aswell as his backwards through is uber-easy to break out of.

[John]

Wow... I just came in here... reading it all was faster than I expected it would be. I haven't played this game since beating all the events which was a long time ago. After reading this topic maybe I'll pick it up again. Yet... I never have human opponents so what's the point. I really like Link though.

[R Hunter]

yeah link is a great character to use he has quick speed decent reach with his sword and some good missile attacks. FYI while link can hold his own against either marth or roy alone if he should fight them as a team he won't do so well (personal experience) they are much faster and like to hit you from both sides

[Grey Jinjo]

Yeah, a computer Marth or Roy mind you. A team of Marth and Roy can be beaten with Link semi-easily. On the other hand a skilled Roy or Marth ... >_>'. To keep up with the fast paced movements of the Fire Emblem characters attacks I'd suggest using Young Link for his brief speed increasement. Of course, by doing that you lose many of the powerful moves Link has. Of course, Young Link's are ALMOST as good...

[Hakey Wake]

Originally posted by R Hunter
yeah link is a great character to use he has quick speed


Link is horribly slow. :)

Maybe not attack wise, but in general he is, and his jump (No, not the spin attack third jump) is very weak indeed.

[BlueBreegull]

I am pretty versatile, but I really only use either Mewtwo or Link. I don't really bother using anyone else unless I am really badly being whooped by someone else...which has happened about 0 times ;) . I know Link is pretty slow, but if you use him like I do, he can be an extremely fast, formidable opponent.

[Grey Jinjo]

Who is still statistically, programmed...slow...

[R Hunter]

not in the hands of a friend of mine.

I once thought that link was slow too so I challenged a friend who loves to play as him to a match, I took pity on him (man was I gonna regret THAT) and chose Bowser to give him a little speed advantage we were playing on the temple because of the length I swear no less than 5 seconds after the match started he had already gotten behind me and started to hack at me with the a combo (a,a,a).No matter how many times I moved or blocked he always kept one step next to me this went on for the entire match! it was like link had on a bunny hood the whole time but he didn't and now I know why: unlike me my friend had masted link and all of his movements and weaknesses so he knew just how to move so I couldn't counter. Now I put time in with all of the characters every day so that never happens again

so if you guys ever fight a friend who loves to play as a "slow" character be wary;)

[Grey Jinjo]

You used Bowser. For every bit of slow Link is, Bowser is even worse. I hardly consider that a fair comparison. :p.

[R Hunter]

true but bowser has a high tolerence to damage so it evened out

[Grey Jinjo]

Yes a high tolerance to damage, but if he can never get in any offense...

That was always my problem with Bowser. You need miraculous skill to even be able to TOUCH a good player with a fast character. His tolerance for me just doesn't payout for his disadvantages...

Link has a series of advantages that make up for his slowness. Bowsers advantages are hindered by his disadvantages. For instance, he has incredibly powerful smash attacks. The problem is, his attacks are so slow it is next to impossible to hit someone with any sense of evasion with a smash attack from him.

[BlueBreegull]

Originally posted by R Hunter
not in the hands of a friend of mine.

I once thought that link was slow too so I challenged a friend who loves to play as him to a match, I took pity on him (man was I gonna regret THAT) and chose Bowser to give him a little speed advantage we were playing on the temple because of the length I swear no less than 5 seconds after the match started he had already gotten behind me and started to hack at me with the a combo (a,a,a).No matter how many times I moved or blocked he always kept one step next to me this went on for the entire match! it was like link had on a bunny hood the whole time but he didn't and now I know why: unlike me my friend had masted link and all of his movements and weaknesses so he knew just how to move so I couldn't counter. Now I put time in with all of the characters every day so that never happens again

so if you guys ever fight a friend who loves to play as a "slow" character be wary;)

That is exactly how I use Link. I basically just roll behind my opponent, quickly pull 'em in with the hookshot, throw them down, press B-up, and continue with more quick combos to knock them out of the ring.

And Grey Jinjo, if I could challenge you to show you how fast link could be...but I can't. So never mind. But take my word for it, Link can be fast. I'm not kidding.

[Grey Jinjo]

...Wait..You roll, hookshot, and it HITS your opponent? O_O.

You need new friends to play against.

I think I'm going to make a video and put it on somewhere....

EDIT: ANy character you would like me tof ace, or stage you would like me to fight on, in particular?

[Minjo Hunter]

Wow. I havent been here in awhile.

http://www.pagetostage.net/smash/
a page with some pro smashing

Also my favorite group of smashers are at this website. Thre are a ton of movies, but all of them are down for this month do to violating terms of service or something like that.
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/ssbm/

Link doesn't play very well for 1vs1 but he is very good in melees.

[R Hunter]

true especially if you're playin against someone who likes to keep their distance a bomb takes care of that really well:D

oh and minjo hunter welcome back

[Jake]

I'm not sure if I already posted in this topic, but I like almost all of the Mario characters. Yes.

[Grey Jinjo]

Does that include Luigi?

[R Hunter]

his fire jump punch is hard to pull off but if you get it right your opponet is goin bye bye:cool:

[Grey Jinjo]

...

I think I'm going to just walk away =)...

[BlueBreegull]

Originally posted by Grey Jinjo
Does that include Luigi?

I would assume. After all, he is a character of the mario series, and he is practically a clone of mario in appearance and attacks.

[Grey Jinjo]

Yes but you have to consider his sentence "I'm not sure if I already posted in this topic, but I like almost all of the Mario characters." So although he IS indeed a Mario character, he could've been one of the few he was excluding...

[R Hunter]

true could also be dr. mario too he is a little slower than his alter ego.

I really like to play as roy sometimes his b move is quite useful if you can power it up fully even though it takes like 3 minutes to do so

[Grey Jinjo]

Actually, most of the hardcore players that play SSB:M prefer Dr. Mario over Mario. I'm not sure why, he lacks a spike, he's slightly slower, and his differences outside of that are vague...so why they prefer him, I can't really tell you...just relaying information.

[R Hunter]

the megavitamins are sort of useful at least you know you've hit somebody with that BOING! sound

[Hakey Wake]

Originally posted by Grey Jinjo
Actually, most of the hardcore players that play SSB:M prefer Dr. Mario over Mario. I'm not sure why, he lacks a spike, he's slightly slower, and his differences outside of that are vague...so why they prefer him, I can't really tell you...just relaying information.

Perhaps it's his smahs along and A? I mean, unlike Mario's, you can do that to your opponent from as close as you want, and it has the same effect.

[golden jiggy]

The question i'm asking is how did Mario get to be a doctor, i don't remember him training for it. I wouldn't trust him with my health! :p

[R Hunter]

you know I don't think even Miyamoyo knows the answer to that one either

FYI for those that don't know Shigeru Miyamoto created Mario, zelda,DK and Pikmin. if it came out of nintendo chances are he's had a hand in it

[Minjo Hunter]

I would certainly say that mario and dr. are the two most similar clones in the game. I've been using dr.mario because I like the way the vitamins travel and because of this music video.
http://www.angelfire.com/ex/mv2/Bad_Medicine.wmv

Differences with the Dr....
His sex kick (aerial A) gets stronger as it sticks out.
His aerial forward has great knockback and can be performed well in a short jump.
He is heavier (I think).
He might have better combos.

[R Hunter]

yeah the Dr is slightly heavier than his counterpart

(remember the doc spends most of his time in the lab not the gym);)

[Grey Jinjo]

Aha, Bad Medicine by Corner. I used to talk to Corner on a daily basis =). Its a nice...NICE video.