Obama backs Gay Marriage. Huzzah!

[Korra]

Dan, just stop. Please.

[Smouvy]

Originally Posted by Dan

Yes, exactly. Gays can get married, they just can't force everyone else to change the rules just for them. If I speak french, and join your class at school, can I just demand that your teacher must start speaking french? I was born speaking french, it wasn't a choice, it's my only language, and now you all have to allow french math class mixed with your english one, and completely cater to my needs as a minority with equal rights. God forbid I just have my own damn french math class separate from yours.

Yes, but you can learn English, you can't learn being straight.

That's like saying that because you live in a country, you also have to speak that country's native tongue, or at least show that you're trying to. If you live in a community where everyone is straight, should you just act straight then? That's essentially what you're suggesting with this post

I mean, I get what you're trying to say, and kind of actually agree to part of it, but the example doesn't really work here

[Dan]

Originally Posted by Korra

Dan, just stop. Please.

Alright

Originally Posted by Jinjonator

Except Christianity has a lot more influence in politics than my religion does (...for now). How you can continue to condone such widespread bigotry is beyond me. Is there anything that could be done in the name of religion that would make you say "no, religion shouldn't be allowed to do that"?

Acting on things that are wrong instead of just thinking them. If they felt gays should be killed and started doing that, then absolutely. But being told 'you cant be in our club' doesn't hurt anybody. You shouldn't be forced to let people join you.

Originally Posted by Smouvy

Yes, but you can learn English, you can't learn being straight.

That's like saying that because you live in a country, you also have to speak that country's native tongue, or at least show that you're trying to. If you live in a community where everyone is straight, should you just act straight then? That's essentially what you're suggesting with this post

I mean, I get what you're trying to say, and kind of actually agree to part of it, but the example doesn't really work here

Yeah i've been wording things poorly, i'm done here anyway. I just feel that people should be allowed to think and feel whatever they want. If I don't like what they're doing, I simply stay away from them, it's not that hard a concept. Exclusion isn't the most horrible thing in the world. I'd rather not let children be fire-fighters.

[Deebs]

>agrees to stop
>continues responding

uhhhh dan

[Dan]

Originally Posted by DragonBottles

>agrees to stop
>continues responding

uhhhh dan

I stopped arguing.. I was answering jinjonators unrelated question, and then explaining to sander what i meant.

[Deebs]

whoops, sorry

also guys honestly disagreeing with dan is fine but eating him alive whenever he trips up a little isn't a good practice

[Smouvy]

As long as he doesn't compare being gay to learning a language, I'm fine with it

[Smouvy]

Also, my view on this subject regarding Christianity and being gay:

I'm all for live and let be. Me being gay is my business, and not some christian's business, just as his not-liking-gays is his business, not mine.

As for the marriage part:

Last I checked, marriage wasn't exclusive to Christians, so why shouldn't gays be included? I could get why it were an issue if it was a Christian-exclusive thing, but it isn't.


There, my opinion.

[GoldenJiggies]

No one gets hurt and Jesus says to love everyone, so what's the problem?

[Smouvy]

Because people belief that Jesus said to 'love everyone... except dem gays, because they can make yer kids gay, ruin teh entire society and arent afraid of anything'.

[/heavily_exaggerated]

[John!]

Jesus never really said anything about gays, but God was totally like "that shit's whack, yo. that's not what I made the ass for." Jesus did say something like "I didn't come to get rid of all that shit in the old testament.", which kind of implies that he wasn't all that big on it though

[Bluish]

Jinjonator, consider it this way:

In my line of thinking, it is hypocritical to subscribe to one doctrine (Christianity), and selectively choose which rules to uphold and which to ignore - at least in the case where it's considered a sin to violate one of those rules :)

Many Christian denominations generally agree the bible considers homosexual coupling to be a sin (well, an /abomination/ to be specific)... so a *gay christian marriage is, by nature, paradoxical.

Should (for clarity, under one of the branches of Christianity that does deem homosexuality a sin), a couple seek a gay christian wedding, they're breaking one of their own rules.

This either makes them hypocrites, if they believe the word of god is absolute but do not hold themselves accountable for that violation; or, it makes them knowing sinners, for they are leaving it to themselves to discriminate as to what is right or wrong, when the bible leaves that to god.

It should very simply follow, and I believe this is what Dan has been trying to say this entire time (I picked it up instantly anyway) that, under those certain branches at least... a *gay christian marriage is either hypocritical, or knowingly sinful.

It would seem to me that, someone from that brand of christianity who wants a gay marriage, would have the option of opting out of that religion and seeking a non-christian gay marriage; thus would remove the hypocrisy of a sinful marriage, and still allow them to pursue what makes them happy.

By matter of principle, I think it reflects poorly on a person if they're willing to be selective about the rules of the dogma they follow. I, for instance, used to be christian, but I didn't like what it imposed on people. That's why I'm a satanist now, and if I want to I'm entitled to marry own god-damn c*nt :)

[Jinjonator]

The Bible also says that if a woman is raped, she's to be forced to marry her rapist. Her parents, by not doing this, are equally as hypocritical, by your definition, as a gay couple having a Christian wedding. If you're willing to argue that gays shouldn't be allowed to have a Christian wedding, do you also concede that any Christian woman who gets raped should be forced to marry her rapist? Because you can't argue for one and not the other (unless you yourself want to be a hypocrite, and there's the pot calling the kettle black).

[Bluish]

Originally Posted by Jinjonator

The Bible also says that if a woman is raped, she's to be forced to marry her rapist. Her parents, by not doing this, are equally as hypocritical, by your definition, as a gay couple having a Christian wedding. If you're willing to argue that gays shouldn't be allowed to have a Christian wedding, do you also concede that any Christian woman who gets raped should be forced to marry her rapist? Because you can't argue for one and not the other (unless you yourself want to be a hypocrite, and there's the pot calling the kettle black).

Well, yeah actually Jinjo-man, I would argue that as a matter of fact. If that's the rules, that's the rules! Take them or leave them! That's why /I/ leave them. But if you want to be a proper Christian lol, true to the word 100%... you've gotta follow every last bullshit rule to the T!

And I hope you have the discretion to realize I think that's a terrible thing, but that the rules of christianity are, in and of themself, mostly terrible :)

[Jinjonator]

I know you aren't Christian, and I'm not either. But you can't say "well, we shouldn't stop Christians from following the Bible, no matter what, gotta make sure they follow every rule". Because clearly they don't. They don't force their daughters to marry their rapists. They don't stone non-believers, or believers of other gods. With all the rules that they're clearly okay with leaving behind in favor of fitting in with modern times, why not throw out the rule against homosexuality while we're at it? I'm sure neither you nor Dan would defend them if they started stoning people, saying how they should be allowed to practice their religion, so where's the sense in saying this is okay?