OK then what do you supposed we do then? We can't just let all the unsolved mysteries of BK and BT remain unsolved? And I'm not just talking about SnS as that's pretty unlikley, unfortunately. But I do wanna find what's left of it. So, how about we start to think about about non-crazy theories that probably won't work instead of crazy theories that just might work, like you suggested. I guess...

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2300th post in the topic. This thing has officially lasted TOO LONG.

And yes, some well thought out, non-crazy theories might be nice.

Yeah or at least TRYING the ideas first. I mean, I dont care which colours match with which or how many stripes multplied by banjo's shoe size divided by the number of feathers you can carry without the cheato page which had 512.8 pages in his book = 5

It doesn't Matter.

I suggest people continue using the wireframe mode whislt playing through BK, and see if they come up with anything else of interest.

yeah that sounds like a positive idea, and asfor the crazy theroies, at least those you propose them for testing are trying, and that will keep italive untill we can definitivly proove or disprove that SNS no longer exists in any fashion even if there are remnanats then those are what we are looking for it is as simple as that

Yes, i did it but i did it for nothing =(

Anyway, i think there is secrets in Blast Corp but i will make a topic in other forum.

Hm... I was fooling around when I noticed a thing...
When I was trying to do a not-related-to-banjo-anyway thing (changing a Neo Geo emulator... with no sucess), I tryed to do in Project 64 and BK.
Using the RWP sandcastle codes and the Project64 "Have All Secret Items" cheat, I noticed that, if a certain memory adress is between 8 and 15, Sharkfood Island will rise. If it is zero between 7 or 16 between 255, Sharkfood won't rise... It isn't a greeeeeeeeeeeat thing (probaly Ice already knew), but I posted here :x

This board is going on way to long, hasn't somone done this yet?

Hey common everyone no one has found a thing yet? my Brother found a few things before like the text Attic lights and the word Jungle after every world name , like Beach Jungle Cavern Jungle woods Jungle, ect. iot was all in BT text so mabey it has somethign to do with the hidden level? common guys we gotta get our heads in the game!

Whoa. :confused: We all have been working pretty hard here in order to solve SnS. Yes, there has been some joking around but if we did not do that we would all been crazy and monkeys would run this site.:eek: LoL! Well, I have been trying to use the walk through walls code in BK to try to acess areas that may have significance but to no avail. That is including where I see pics of doors and etc.

no you misunderstand I mean no one has found anything recently
and I was wondering what it is weve managed to find these days or is this thread dieing off now I wanted to know becasue I think qwe should post EVERY finding, not just those that appear important

I hope so its bgeen getting kinda slow in here lol but Ill trust ya shadow

My first course of action, considering I haven't been here in quite some time, would be to say "Welcome to the forums, ohkathewolf!"

My second course of action would be to ask "WTF? What did I miss?"

I'm obviously too lazy to check, but from what I've seen, we haven't gotten any closer to the eggs than when we started.

I think we should just continue in Wireframe Mode until we find something, meaning search every nook and cranny.

Thats hard. You just can't play through the game, you would have to observe stuff, and we did that with Wireframe for most if it.

yeah but if you have a good eye for detail, you could just play throguht and observe everylevel as you go along, am I right?

and thank you for the welcome

wellfor starters like I said the text Jungle was following every areas text, IE beach Jungle, mountin Jungle, snow Jungle, ect

mabey some of the secret level is hidden in every level

Let me pose a different idea regarding how SNS may be implemented. A theory that fits certain facts. Either by Hot or Cold Swapping, memory pak, 64DD, or by magic for all it matters, some memory addresses must be set for the BK code to react. The BK code must recognize them and go from there.

We know the items/secret areas are centered around memory location 00283400 (ntfs). I worked out the bit mapping for the secret items/area memory address. Not sure if this has been done before, values clearly have been mentioned, but this is at the bit level.

Memory: 00283400
Value: ABCD

A
1234 (bits)

B
1234 (bits)

C
1234 (bits)

D
1234 (bits)

A1 = NABNUTS EGG Available
A2 = CAPTAINS EGG Available
A3 = LOGOS EGG Available
A4 = DESERT DOOR Open

B1 = SHARKFOOD ISLAND Raised
B2 = XBARRELL Open
B3 = ICE CAVE Open
B4 = YELLOW EGG Collected

C1 = RED EGG Collected
C2 = GREEN EGG Collected
C3 = BLUE EGG Collected
C4 = PINK EGG Collected

D1 = TURQUOIE EGG Collected
D2 = ICE KEY Collected
D3 = unknown
D4 = unknown

Just set the bits of what you need and you're good to go. If you want the Yellow and Blue Eggs and Sharkfood Island rasied, use 80283400 0920 (0000 1001 0010 0000). This should help if people are still working on the 4 egg and ice key theory.

So, with this done, I'm trying to back trace through the code execution (what a pain) to see what causes 00283400 to be set. If you preset the address with a value before game launch, your value is cleared out, then what was saved during prior gameplay is loaded in. Great, fair enough. BK then launches the intro Banjo playing scene. You hit Start and you go to the Demo. Prior to the Demo launching is where it gets odd, the address is modified, bit by bit. First A1 is set, then B4 removed (the yellow egg pairing), then A2/C1, A3/C2, and so forth until all eggs are removed and all areas opened, pair by pair. So one has to wonder why the secret areas are opened during the Demo. Press start and you go to the game selection screen, with the memory address set back to what it should be.


This points to a potentially interesting possibility. I think Secret Items collection may actually happen outside of game play. When you hit start, BK may launch you to the an area to collect the item that BT/DK64 set as available.

Things that point me in that direction:

1. The secret areas being forced open during the Demo. Why bother, it's just the Demo?

2. You cannot get to gameplay without going through the Demo. I never really noticed that before. In BK you hit start and go the the Demo, not to the game selection. BT doesn't do that. If you let the opening scene cycle to the end, then it should go to the Demo. Why the double start?

3. Secret Items are saved to all three game states, or more likely to an area outside the game states. So if you collect the Ice Key in the Demo area, you will see it collected in all 3 games. This has always been a thorn issue to me, but this theory would make some sense of it.


At the moment it's only a possibility and I'll continue to work at it. There are some interesting activators that may lead to something or may lead to nothing. Scene Mod with trigger value 0006 or 0008 launches a scene in the Demo mode. They set different screen action values, 0007 and 0009 respectively, which I haven't quite figured out yet.

I'll let you know if I make more progress with this.

1. Maybe Rareware got lazy and didn't bother closing the values thus restricting access to the secret areas. After all, you can't really play without going to the stage select screen, and even if you could, I'd bet that the values would reset as soon as the gameplay was started.

2. Rare got feedback saying people didn't like the demo and they wanted to get to gameplay. Also, you couldn't go to the file select without seeing the demo in DK64 as well.

3. SNS was not finished production, the items were probably going to be programmed to one file after collected (at least that's what I always thought.)

I'm not trying to condratict you, and I think your theory is a very good one. I'm just stating other possibilities.

I'm with you too! I just wanna know what is D3 and D4. And what do you mean by ''Demo'' ?

Feel free to condratict me and challenge my assumptions. That's how progress is made.

From my perspective, Rare didn't get lazy. Prior to launching the demo, a set of functions are called that open an area and then remove it's corresponding item. And after leaving the demo, prior to the game selection screen, functions are called to put them back in place. If it were trivial, and I was lazy, I would just move the address value to a register or push it on the stack and set the memory to FE00. Then move the original value back when I'm done. That is not what's going on. What exactly is happening I'm not so sure yet. I can tell you there are evaluations item by item happening. Unless of course the C++ compiler they used generated incredibly inefficient assembler code.

There are other strange things that happen when you change the value of that memory address during different write breakpoints following inital ROM startup, but I haven't even begun the work needed to decipher that.

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Demo is the part of the game that Banjo is running around control by AI. When you Press Start, it goes into the demo.

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Well, that is very good, at least seemingly new information. Let me see if I understand it right...
The game stores eggs outside of a game file, possibly so that you can access the eggs and key at the same time as the demo would playin game, during SNS. So it seems like the game would let you go straight to the secrets after swapping cartridges, and allow you to play in the demo.
What I would like to know, is exactly (like intial on screen, or right when the demo starts) when the secrets open and close, or if they are open in all cutscenes. What are the similarities for with the demo, and the ending scenes where they show us the eggs and keys. Perhaps the demo is open like this so that the end of the game works.

Very good work guys. I can use some of this stuff with the stuff that I am working with. This should help tremendously.

It stores it outside the game file or to all three game files. I speculate the first, outside. You can Scene Mod to a secret item area with Trigger 06 or 08 and the item memory state will remain unchanged. Take control of Banjo and collect the Egg and it is collected for all 3 games, even though you are playing outside a game state. You'll get FE00 + whatever item you collect saved on item collection.

The end game 100 jiggies cutscene they are forced open only when Mumbo's hand comes down showing the picture. When his hand comes up, they are set back to what you had collected. It is the same item pair comparisons. But for the other cutscenes it appears unaffected. It makes sense for the end game scene, but not for the demo.

What about the D3 and D4 item? What are they?

D3 and D4 are two trailiing bits that seem to have no use or don't indicate anything. The functions don't clear those bits, so if you set them prior to the demo, you'll get FE03 instead of FE00. They may have had a use at some time, or maybe they are used for something we haven't uncovered.

They probally lead to something, but something unknown.

Congrats Slaphappy, you might have the answer to SNS there, right in the open.
I bet the next dicovery is going to be something along the lines of FF (maybe).

You prob allready knew this, but if you use a code to take control of the opening demo, you can go to Wozza's cave and he won't be there.

Can you try to find it please? Maybe SnS Prizes.

*Off-topic: Look, a cool video of Banjo-Kazooie Comercial. Funny too. (In french so you might don't understand) http://captainchester.free.fr/Site%2...20pub%20fr.avi

Err... that was Banjo-TOOIE's commercial, although I'd really like to see BK's one. And yes, that WAS VERY OFF TOPIC :)

Anyway, this is some cool stuff right here. Maybe if slaphappy teamed up with Hatrick we might discover SnS (or what's left of it) Oh, and can someone give me the code to play in the demo? And to play in the end "demo" where it shows BK running to their house?

8037E8E7 0003 (ntsc - as Ice pointed out, not ntfs)
That will put you in normal control of banjo during the Demo.

Just as a "Huge Reach" observation. I find it funny that in the cycle of the 8 Demo levels, the first 3 just happen to be the ones without any secret items. Then the fourth is MMM with 2 Eggs. The next set of four each has an egg in it, and CCW is even in Winter. So all 6 Eggs, but no FP and the Ice Key. Not a finding, just strangely coincidental.

Well I just noticed this and I was wondering. Could someone who's stuck with this the whole time make another thread that sums up the 156 pages. Because I really don't have enough time on hand all I know this is the greatest leap for SnS.

Yes, I agree. Could someone be so kind as to summarise this thread into one or two neat paragraphs, so everyone can see what breakthroughs have or haven't happened?
Look, I got through about 7 pages, but this is ridiculous...
Feel free to fill me in on whatever SNS developments have been made...:D

Well, I'm seeing 10 posts per page (I chose it, better for me), and this thread has only 234 pages... I agree with the guys, too. How about a SnS forum (like the April one)?

Edit: It doesn't NEED to be summarize anywhere, it is already summarized at the RWP Wiki.

Despite what Chilly Dark said for all you average Joe's I'll take one for the team I'll read it all and post it tonight now onward to page one!
EDIT: This will all be posted on my site because of everything taking way more than the forum can handle.

All hail pinkbull!
Or somone oculd post link to rwp wiki :D

Sorry about what I said earlier, I was just saying Here it is summarized, the entire topic..

Well after what I've read so far I have found the equasion for SnS the problem is plugging in the objects in ()+()+()+()+ 0--m = ? and I'm still working on it. I'm mostly posting things of interest that you wont find in the wiki

Good job with those text picures! Although, for the eggs it could have been (?) but the ice key was great :)

That said, it could have been:
(?)+(?)+(?)+(?) = 0--m