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Dan 8th April 2011 11:52 PM

Now this is interesting.. I can't edit my OP, or any of my posts on the first 5 pages for that matter o_O, perhaps the leaderboards should get their own thread?

30-50 feral rats 9th April 2011 08:53 AM

I'm going to be out all day, so I'll just put another personal best here, with the total:
Chilli Billi: 0:33.50
New Total: 9:55.60

EDIT: I was about to type my method of dealing with the dreadedyetawesome Lord Woo Fak Fak, but I have to leave shortly. Later today, sometime around the 9PM mark (10 hours from when I finish editing this), I'll type up my method of dealing with Lord Woo Fishy Fish, and certain tips for dealing with him, such as one on how to prevent him from making an attack against you when you're dealing with the boils. (He won't attack at all, is what I mean)

Tooie 9th April 2011 04:49 PM

Another interesting development. Check out MD9's newest Mingy Jongo run.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBMoc4MMsZk

That son of a bitch, even if he is using TAS, he's certainly coming up with good strategies. But I'm starting to think this guy is legit...

Jacky Durand 9th April 2011 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tooie (Post 944345)
Another interesting development. Check out MD9's newest Mingy Jongo run.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBMoc4MMsZk

That son of a bitch, even if he is using TAS, he's certainly coming up with good strategies. But I'm starting to think this guy is legit...

Yeah I saw it earlier today - it's really clever and also a perfact strategy for a speed run of the full game because it's a pretty safe method. I matched his time on Mingy Jongo with that strategy. Also beat his dragon times.

So my new times are:

Chilli Billi 32:40
Chilly Willy 48:00
Mingy Jongo 9:70

Tooie 9th April 2011 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jacky Durand (Post 944453)
Yeah I saw it earlier today - it's really clever and also a perfact strategy for a speed run of the full game because it's a pretty safe method. I matched his time on Mingy Jongo with that strategy. Also beat his dragon times.

So my new times are:

Chilli Billi 32:40
Chilly Willy 48:00
Mingy Jongo 9:70

Nope, not updating my leaderboards unless you give a total. I don't have access to Xbox Live and I'm bad at math. :P

That goes for you too Dan, since I guess I'm still in charge of the leaderboards until you get that sorted out.

Dan 9th April 2011 08:35 PM

See: OP. Leaderboards officially featured! Guide updated! I'll give the guide another revamp after demon discloses his valuable fak info. I'm going to introduce a comments feature to the leaderboard. If you feel the desire to have a comment behind your score, declaring great victorious praise for yourself, or a comment on what went wrong, feel free, and ill add it!

Tooie 9th April 2011 08:42 PM

It's all yours! Don't forget to update Jacky's times, then.

Coolboyman 9th April 2011 10:36 PM

Just to let you all know, my harddrive got screwed up (the one that had my previous times), so I have to get them all over again. I'm at around 10:10.00 now.

30-50 feral rats 10th April 2011 12:21 AM

Sorry I haven't posted my method yet, but I have a lot more notes than I thought I did. I have spent the last hour just writing down what I know, and it is getting late, so I'll have to post it tomorrow, seeing as it'll take a short while longer to finish and clear up in places.
A little heads up btw (Including this here since it isn't that relevant to my guide/tip list, and is just a minor thing that may not matter) don't enter talon torpedo mode when Fak's eye-opening cutscene is about to play. Doing so could result in a glitch with Kazooie being controllable during the cutscene. It is very, very, very unlikely to happen, as I've only come across it once two weeks ago and it may have just been an anomaly, but if it does, know the xbox will freeze towards the end of the cutscene.
Anyway, expect it tomorrow. Sorry for the delay.

And just to be a further pain:
Mingy Jongo: 0:10.30
Total: 9:52.10

Also, sorry to hear about your harddrive, CBM. :(

EDIT: Extremely long read time. Fak Fak!
As soon as the fight begins, go right and change to grenade eggs ready for the eye part of the fight. As you do this, look at the boil on LWFF’s left to check if it’s glowing; it should be immediately visible from the start. Get far enough to ensure Banjo won’t bounce off of Lord Woo Fak Fak when he diverts from his straight line path (Explain shortly) and cancel the Talon Torpedo as a result. Enter the Talon Torpedo. If the glowing boil is the one is on the side you’re facing go straight for it. The cutscene should show Fak facing away from your starting position. When this finishes, Fak will turn clockwise, and will be slightly diverted off his straight line path, as he will move diagonally to the point where he attacks. As soon as he starts to turn, you should be able to see the side of Fak that you didn’t hit a boil on, and if the next glowing boil is there, you should have no problem striking it. Otherwise, wait for him to turn a bit and the other two boils will be presented very quickly to your right. In any case, you should hit the second boil almost immediately after the cutscene ends.
The third boil is the one I usually use to cause an attack prevention, but it is acceptable to cause the prevention on the second, if too difficult; Hitting a boil just before Lord Woo Fak Fak turns to attack or as he is turning to attack with the talon torpedo will cause him to fail to attack, and he will start to move again instead. This should leave you with three/four boils to hit, and as such I recommend running through them as fast as possible. You should be able to do as you did before to cause another attack prevention on the last hit, though you don't need to if you're fast enough to do all the boils before he starts to turn. Recall Kazooie and get ready for the eye part of the fight. All 6 boils should be hit within 28 seconds for better results.
When the eyes part starts, you’ll notice Fak is faster and more aggressive, attacking when hit. To counter this change, you should hit the eyes twice. Fak will be moving towards the side of the locker you’re on, so his eyes will be open to direct grenade attacks, given the attack prevention worked. The first grenade should stop Fak and cause him to begin to attack. Land the second grenade before he sends the attack after you. The third will not connect till the attack launches, so after the second connects, swim diagonally backwards in front of Lord Woo so, as the attack launches, it will not hit you. When you’re confident it will not hit, turn and launch the third. For some reason, Fak may not react with a painful yelp before attacking, instead turning immediately towards you. Regardless, land the fourth so that it hits just before he sends out an attack. Repeat the dodging motion, swimming right instead if you’re to the left of your initial starting position. Land the fifth blow. All this should be done before 50 seconds. The last blow is the problem, unfortunately; a second hit after the first will not count in this circumstance, so you may have to dodge the attacks of Lord Woo for at least 2 seconds, before the last attack can connect, if not slightly longer.
There is one odd thing that can happen when Woo attacks you at the last bit, and that is the attack rotates you a mere 30 degrees or so instead of 180. I’m not fully sure as to whether this is because of another factor, or just guaranteed to happen, so I may look into it. Regardless it could happen, and you would easily get a time under 1 minute if it does, though you can do so without. If without, this method should make a goal of 1:10.00 very easy. Using this method, I recommend at least getting under 1:02.00. This is all assuming you do finish the boils at about 28 seconds and the 30 degree glitch does not occur, so obviously a lower time is possible. At 27 seconds to destroy the boils, and the 30 degree glitch not happening, 55 seconds is possible, as I got just over it in these circumstances, so under 55 seconds is possible with the use of this method.
If at the beginning the glowing boil is on the opposite side to the one you check, I would expect to cause an attack prevention on the second strike. The first hit will not divert Fak as much as it does on the other side, since it is less immediate, which means it could be quicker or just as quick to cause the attack prevention, but at the same time it is a problem since Lord woo will be further away (Still turns clockwise and diagonally), and you have to wait longer for Fak to turn 180 degrees before you can hit the glowing boil if on the side you don’t see at the start. (Hence the idea of going right and not left at the start; left is slower, whereas right is a bit riskier since Lord Woo could disrupt the Talon Torpedo) Regardless, though, it is through this less favourable circumstance that I got 55 seconds, so obviously, you may be able to destroy the boils yourself as quickly as 21 seconds.

And there you have it, the majority of what I know about this boss...
... My hands hurt.
If there's something I haven't explained well enough, which is likely given the length of this edit, feel free to ask me to clarify.

Tooie 10th April 2011 04:01 PM

MegaDestructor9 has new times for the Dragon Brothers.

Chilly Willy - 0:47.40

Chilli Billi - 0:31.90

New Total - 8:46.40

He just doesn't give up. :P

Weldar-Kazooie 10th April 2011 04:47 PM

New Times:

Klungo 2: 16.30

Chilli Billi: 32.50

I'll update this more as I continue to play. Doing so now, so expect a few more new times.

Edit:

Chilly Willy: 51.00

Minji Jongo: 10.80

Current Total: 10:08.00

Tooie 11th April 2011 06:29 PM

I guess I'll be MD9's spokesperson since I'm subscribed to him...

Chilli Billi - 0:31.80
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgneTnEO4z4

Terry - 0:32.30
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eId9ZOIqsKo

New Total - 8:45.40

Jacky Durand 11th April 2011 08:07 PM

He actually already beat Chilli Billi and got 31.60.
Gonna try to beat it later maybe, but right now my focus is on the HAG.

New time:

HAG 1 3:10:30

New Total 9:46:20

EDIT:

HAG 1 2:57:30

Final Time 9:33:20

Coolboyman 11th April 2011 09:19 PM

Yay... I have some serious work to do on this game. Down to 10:08.00, almost got sub 3 on Hag 1 last night but her final spell killed me.

Tooie 12th April 2011 06:26 PM

MD9 updates:

Chilli Billi- 0:31.50
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzjI2AP64n0

Lord Woo Fak Fak - 0:44.40
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pmh5spYdJhc

New Total - 8:44.50

Tooie 14th April 2011 06:34 PM

MD9: Lord Woo now 0:43.40

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJZuu2qBaww

Tooie 15th April 2011 10:20 AM

*sigh* more MD9...

Chilli Billi - 0:31.30
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02ywlz0s05E

30-50 feral rats 15th April 2011 10:00 PM

He really should have a go at getting himself on the leaderboards, especially since he's trying to perfect his times and has a total under 9 minutes. Even if he could be cheating, it's likely he could get himself somewhere at the top, if not the top of the leaderboards, if he did it properly.
Though if he's content with doing so to make video guides, that's fine too, I guess.

Anyway, congrats to Jacky Durand on claiming top! :D *claps and applauds*

Coolboyman 17th April 2011 05:14 AM

I'm coming back bitches. Just beat my original overall time, so watch out. ;)

Jacky Durand 17th April 2011 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coolboyman (Post 948095)
I'm coming back bitches. Just beat my original overall time, so watch out. ;)

Great! I love the competition!

Coolboyman 18th April 2011 02:16 AM

Klungo 1: 21.10 (Actually 21.00)
Klungo 2: 16.30
Klungo 3: 19.90
Targitzan: 42.60 (Actually 42.00)
Old King Coal: 8.40 (Actually 7.90)
Mr. Patch: 40.20
Lord Woo Fak Fak: 1:10.90 (Actually 1:08.10)
Terry: 35.90 (Actually 34.90)
Weldar: 1:02.40
Chilli Willi: 51.00
Chilli Billi: 34.00
Minjy Jongo: 9.90
Hag 1: 2:58.10
Total: 9.50.70 (Actually 9.45.70)

30-50 feral rats 18th April 2011 11:39 AM

So I'm in third again... Huzzah?

I'm roughly 18 seconds behind Jacky Durand, so I think I'll definitely have to redo my Hag 1 time.
If that doesn't work, there's always Terry and Weldar; good 7-8 seconds to lose in total on those.

I am interested to see if I can beat Megadestructor9's Hag 1 time. It's definitely beatable... just a major pain to do so without making a mistake.

EDIT: New Hag 1 time... not as good as CoolBoyMan, Jacky Durand or Megadestructor9, but enough to earn me back the silver medal!

Hag 1 3:00.20
Total: 9:39.90
Position: 2nd

Take that, CBM! ;)
Anyway, my idiocy aside...

I think I'll focus on Weldar and Terry. By doing both, I could potentially claim first again, since I now need to lose 6.7 seconds.
I'm disappointed, though, with my Hag 1 time. I should be able to, if I'm correct, lose a good 9 seconds on it, but I keep finding a way to muck up.
Regardless, 1st place here I come!

MOAR EDITZ:
Weldar 1:02.20
Chilly Willy 0:50.70
Chilli Billi 0:32.40
Total: 9:35.20
2 seconds to go!

Tooie 18th April 2011 05:01 PM

Loving the newfound spark of competition going on. If Portal 2 weren't coming out tomorrow (and my Xbox Live Gold subscription running out) , I'd definitely pick up my 360 and start trying to improve my times.

30-50 feral rats 18th April 2011 11:26 PM

Times that need to be updated on leaderboards:
Terry 0:35.90
Weldar 1:02.20
Chilly Willy 0:50.60
Chilli Billi 0:32.40
Hag 1 3:00.20

New Total: 9:32.50
Position: 1st.

Status of Jacky Durand and CoolBoyMan: Upset in deranged way (probably... maybe... certainly not)
Status of DemonLa-IISBEST!
...
:D

Coolboyman 19th April 2011 12:41 AM

Oh... IT'S ON.

Klungo 1: 21.10 (Actually 21.00)
Klungo 2: 16.30
Klungo 3: 19.70
Targitzan: 42.20 (Actually 42.00)
Old King Coal: 8.40 (Actually 7.90)
Mr. Patch: 40.20
Lord Woo Fak Fak: 1:02.10
Terry: 35.90 (Actually 34.90)
Weldar: 1:02.40
Chilli Willi: 51.00
Chilli Billi: 33.40
Minjy Jongo: 9.90
Hag 1: 2:58.10

9:40.70 (Actually 9:38.80)

I know I can do a lot better on the dragons, Minjy, Mr. Patch, Old King Coal and Targitzan.

Dan 19th April 2011 03:54 AM

Still can't edit the leaderboard, loving this posting threshold a lot.

<insert my times once i get off my ass>

Jacky Durand 19th April 2011 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DemonLabRat (Post 948873)
Times that need to be updated on leaderboards:
Terry 0:35.90
Weldar 1:02.20
Chilly Willy 0:50.60
Chilli Billi 0:32.40
Hag 1 3:00.20

New Total: 9:32.50
Position: 1st.

Status of Jacky Durand and CoolBoyMan: Upset in deranged way (probably... maybe... certainly not)
Status of DemonLa-IISBEST!
...
:D

Nice work! You kind of forced me to finally try that Targitzan-thingy. My time isn't that great yet, but it's good enough for first. I'll post all my times again:

Klungo 1: 21:10
Klungo 2: 16:20
Klungo 3: 19:80
Targitzan: 39:30
Old King Coal: 7:60
Mr. Patch: 29:80
Lord Woo Fak Fak: 1:07:60
Terry: 34:50
Weldar: 1:01:90
Chilly Willy: 48:00
Chilli Billi: 32:40
Mingy Jongo: 9:70
HAG 1: 2:57:30

New Total 9:25:20

If you beat it again I'll have to work some more on Lady Fak Fak.

30-50 feral rats 19th April 2011 03:38 PM

Wait, now you're beating me by another 7.3 seconds?!
... *Twitches*

Well, if I'm going to catch up, I'll have to reduce any time of mine that is more than a second slower than yours. That means Targitzan, Terry, Chilly Willy, Hag 1, and especially Mr Patch.
I could also try Fak Fak the MD9 way, but only after a good few attempts on the five above. Cake!

Edit:
Klungo 2 0:16.30
Targitzan 0:38.70
Mr Patch 0:34.20
Chilly Willy 0:49.60
New Total: 9:25.00

... Mr Patch, sir, I do hate you SO much.
Seriously, Jacky Durand, even by following MD9's example, how did you get less than 30 seconds?! That is madness!
*Kicked into pit of death*

EDIT The second:
Klungo 2: 0:16.20
Klungo 3: 0:19.80
New Total: 9:24.70

Tried Mr Patch, Targitzan and Hag 1 as well, and though I didn't beat my times, I think I've confirmed for myself that MD9's times on all three of these bosses are beatable; he can lose time in several places. As such, I think, if I became good enough, I could beat Targitzan in 30 seconds (if not less), Mr Patch in 27 seconds, and Hag 1 in less than 2:52.00. Though I doubt I'll attain any of those times soon, since my aiming skill isn't good enough atm to match his times. I need a break now.

Jacky Durand 30th April 2011 03:02 PM

I also needed a break, before I wanted to attempt Lord Woo. But I beat my old time.

Lord Woo Fak Fak: 59:10


I think it's a very good time, but still I'm disappointed, because I got the boils in 21 seconds and then screwed up on the eyes.

New Total: 9:16:70

As for Patch I know I can do it even faster if I try more. It's my favorite boss, so I have no problem trying again and again. I do the same as MD9, but with one less patch in the beginning.

30-50 feral rats 2nd May 2011 10:45 PM

Well done!

Now I have to find places where I can really drop a few seconds; I've had a go at Lord Woo Fak Fak, and had minimal success, but I think I can lose 10 seconds. I don't think I can be fussed to use MD9's method until I really have to (Due to how it requires the first three boils to appear on the same side, assuming it's the one you get by moving right) Regardless, I can get the boils in less than 22 seconds, so I should aim for under 45 seconds, since that's 7 more than 38. The last part for me seems to take about 20-25 seconds per go, depending on if I take a hit, so it is really just dependent on that first part.

Anyway:
Lord Woo Fak Fak: 55:20

On my list at the moment are Targitzan, Lord Woo Fak Fak and Hag 1. The prospect of fighting Mr Patch terrifies me at the moment, for various reasons, so... this face: :-/

Dan 1st November 2011 04:21 PM

Not one of us has improved anything since May. What the ****.

Walecs 25th February 2012 11:46 AM

The pain in the arse with these are the dialogues. If you didn't have to watch them over and over it would be easier.

Ty-chan 25th February 2012 03:49 PM

I'll post mine later. :D

Dan 25th February 2012 04:20 PM

Hahaha oh wow I remember this ^_^

30-50 feral rats 17th March 2012 10:08 AM

Just to ask, Dan, are you still unable to edit the opening post? I have actually improved my times, though not recently. My memory may be failing me here, but I think the difference between my total and Jacky Durand's is about 3 seconds, and both us and CoolBoyMan have totals lower than 9:50:00.

I can't actually check the leaderboards because Banjo-Tooie isn't on my current Xbox. Still have the old one so I still can play the game, but I am busy irl atm. I'd be willing to perhaps have another go in July and after, but just not until the end of the academic year.

EDIT: By the by, MegaDestructor9 appears to have gone and shut his account on Youtube.

Dan 2nd July 2012 01:25 AM

Still Can't Edit the OP of this, though everyone seems to have satisfied/peaked/given up ;p

Coolboyman 6th July 2012 06:27 AM

I might try this again. Maybe.

Sampipe 30th August 2012 12:49 AM

My game save got deleted. Not sure how though. So I have to do this again....

Anyone uploaded any vids to Youtube? It could help improve my times again.

Edit: Its only with Hag 1 now. I need to beat her in less that 4 minutes. I don't think it would be much of a problem if you could keep the camera still when you shoot eggs at her.

30-50 feral rats 2nd October 2012 09:11 PM

I said I might try getting 1st again, but I think I'll give up on that. I no longer have access to the game itself most of the time and it's been so long since I've played it I'm not sure I remember how I even did some of them, let alone actually getting close to previous times. I also remember checking the leaderboards quite a while ago and seeing someone else who I don't think I know have a total time that beats both mine and Jacky Durands by a decent margin. I feel fine with 3rd though. (Unless someone else came along. Then I'm not fine. I'm angry. I'm here to chew gum and explode, and I'm all out of honeycomb)

30-50 feral rats 17th November 2012 10:42 AM

Seeing as we aren't really doing this anymore, here's the top 20 Boss Totals:

1: Lil P jii 9:06.80
2: Jacky Durand 9:16.70
3: DemonLabRat 9:21.90
4: Cooolboyman 9:33.80
5: GoldnDragnForce 10:08.00
6: HickVincent 10:34.00
7: Obsidian Age 10:44.70
8: vVv Dan 10:46.20
9: Sh4dow 118 10:52.60
10: sheikhylian 11:02.50
11: Banjo Fella 11:13.00
12: Jumpman jam666 11:16.20
13: Dark Sunglasses 11:35.30
14: Proper Thomas 11:41.90
15: SCOTTHEW2 11:43.50
16: JonnyBlazin5 11:46.10
17: Southhouse 11:51.40
18: RAR3GAST NL 12:09.70
19: CrazedFiend13 12:22.80
20: puyotakaaki 12:24.30


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