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Weldar-Kazooie 27th March 2011 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Dan (Post 937881)
there's a far less likely chance he has the fastest time on all 13 bosses, by a dramatic amount, coincidentally offline, and did them all in 1 try as proven by his videos. That being said, he did use some pretty good tricks, but nothing we weren't already doing. Weldar, lord Woo, and patch are the biggest examples of him doing unrealisitc things

What he said.

Simply put, his times are just too good. I'm not jealous or envious of his scores, but they're simply too flawless to be non-tas'd. To not even falter with the aim against Terry, LWFF, or Targitzan is impossible with the Xbox Joystick.

Like Dan said, these tricks he used are all great and very helpful, they're just done too flawlessly to have been legitimate in the videos.

Jacky Durand 27th March 2011 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Dan (Post 937881)
there's a far less likely chance he has the fastest time on all 13 bosses, by a dramatic amount, coincidentally offline, and did them all in 1 try as proven by his videos. That being said, he did use some pretty good tricks, but nothing we weren't already doing. Weldar, lord Woo, and patch are the biggest examples of him doing unrealisitc things

Did you ever see a TAS? A TAS would truly screw up the record times which I don't believe he does. There are nothing unrealistic about either the Weldar or Lord Woo battle - he even takes damage from Woo several times.

I would say his best battles are indeed Targitzan, Patch and HAG 1, because of the extraordinary aiming - but that can be done without tool assistance. And his Patch-time really is something special, but Patch follows a certain pattern in the beginning of the battle meaning his patches will always be in the same spots. That's why he can take out 4 in one go - he knows exactly where to aim. The rest of the battle is pure routine.

And I don't get what you mean by "doing them in one try". His old Weldar-time was 1:01:60, now it's 1:01:50. It's only Terry, Hag 1 and maybe Lord Woo that gets remarkably better, but that makes sense since Terry and Woo are luck-based and for HAG 1 you either win or get killed.

Dan 27th March 2011 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Jacky Durand (Post 937884)
Did you ever see a TAS? A TAS would truly screw up the record times which I don't believe he does. There are nothing unrealistic about either the Weldar or Lord Woo battle - he even takes damage from Woo several times.

I would say his best battles are indeed Targitzan, Patch and HAG 1, because of the extraordinary aiming - but that can be done without tool assistance. And his Patch-time really is something special, but Patch follows a certain pattern in the beginning of the battle meaning his patches will always be in the same spots. That's why he can take out 4 in one go - he knows exactly where to aim. The rest of the battle is pure routine.

And I don't get what you mean by "doing them in one try". His old Weldar-time was 1:01:60, now it's 1:01:50. It's only Terry, Hag 1 and maybe Lord Woo that gets remarkably better, but that makes sense since Terry and Woo are luck-based and for HAG 1 you either win or get killed.


You see at the end of his old king coal videos, his other boss times, all of these were uploaded in the same day, and you can see the other times at the end of the videos, he literally moves from OKC to weldar, to terry (or whatever the order is) and does all 13 of these times in 1 try each going from 14:37 to 8:59. Yeah no.

Jacky Durand 28th March 2011 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Dan (Post 938094)
You see at the end of his old king coal videos, his other boss times, all of these were uploaded in the same day, and you can see the other times at the end of the videos, he literally moves from OKC to weldar, to terry (or whatever the order is) and does all 13 of these times in 1 try each going from 14:37 to 8:59. Yeah no.

Well I actually followed his process from the beginning on another forum. He started march 9th and fĂ*nished march 22nd. In 13 days you can really do something. Maybe he uploaded all the videos on the same day, but he recorded them over 13 days (not counting his effort to improve Targitzan before that).

You have to look for the previous time in the videos that pop up in the start of every battle to see what kind of improvement he does. And if you claim it's one try pr. boss then why isn't there a proper intro cutscene in the beginning of every video?

Just to make a slight comparison I used 4 hours the other day to get these times:
- Klungo 1: 21:10
- Klungo 2: 16:20
- Klungo 3: 19:80
- Old King Coal: 7:60
- Patch: 36:60
- Chili Billi: 33:30
- Chilly Willy: 48:30
- Mingy Jongo: 11:30

I'm telling you: no cheating - he just perfected his battles.

Coolboyman 28th March 2011 03:45 PM

Then why can't he sign in and take my spot?

Jacky Durand 28th March 2011 07:13 PM

I don't know - that really isn't my area of expertise. Why would tool-assistance keep him from uploading his time?

Coolboyman 28th March 2011 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Jacky Durand (Post 938298)
I don't know - that really isn't my area of expertise. Why would tool-assistance keep him from uploading his time?

In order to have tool assisted runs on the 360 you need a modded xbox. You cannot connect to Xbox live with a modded xbox.

Dan 28th March 2011 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Jacky Durand (Post 938230)
Well I actually followed his process from the beginning on another forum. He started march 9th and fĂ*nished march 22nd. In 13 days you can really do something. Maybe he uploaded all the videos on the same day, but he recorded them over 13 days (not counting his effort to improve Targitzan before that).

You have to look for the previous time in the videos that pop up in the start of every battle to see what kind of improvement he does. And if you claim it's one try pr. boss then why isn't there a proper intro cutscene in the beginning of every video?

Just to make a slight comparison I used 4 hours the other day to get these times:
- Klungo 1: 21:10
- Klungo 2: 16:20
- Klungo 3: 19:80
- Old King Coal: 7:60
- Patch: 36:60
- Chili Billi: 33:30
- Chilly Willy: 48:30
- Mingy Jongo: 11:30

I'm telling you: no cheating - he just perfected his battles.

I've put in a lot more than a couple weeks, and coolboyman more than perfected his times and is a full minute behind. There is not a single person that has 9:xx.x0 in the world other than him and BARELY, He just also happens to coincidentally have JUST under 9 minutes which is probably his reason for uploading/doing this. Those times are nice though, you got the 16.20 on klungo 2, i couldn't get that, tied me on 1, and are .10 behind me on 3. Patch is just incredible though and well, all of those times are damn good, but they're not the times we brought up, and they're still not his times lol.


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Originally Posted by Coolboyman (Post 938303)
In order to have tool assisted runs on the 360 you need a modded xbox. You cannot connect to Xbox live with a modded xbox.

Exactly.

Jacky Durand 28th March 2011 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Coolboyman (Post 938303)
In order to have tool assisted runs on the 360 you need a modded xbox. You cannot connect to Xbox live with a modded xbox.

Oh I see - I must admit that sounds suspicious..

Still I don't think his videos are perfect in any way, but well, that might be part of the plan.

Tooie 28th March 2011 08:51 PM

Why don't you people just ask him in a comment if he's using TAS? You could probably be able to tell or not depending on what he says.

Jacky Durand 28th March 2011 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Tooie (Post 938320)
Why don't you people just ask him in a comment if he's using TAS? You could probably be able to tell or not depending on what he says.

Since he wants to put the videos on speeddemosarchive.com. It's kind of self-explanatory what his answer would be.

Still no one on that site complained about his videos, yet.

Dan 29th March 2011 06:28 AM

I confronted him on personal messages on youtube and he claimed that he put 'a lot of effort in, just look at my megaman vids, im obviously a pro'. then goes on to say that i could do it too if i tried and learned the methods; So i was very sure to explain to him that i've been playing these games for 208x as long as him and invented half the methods he's using in his videos. He had no response.

Weldar-Kazooie 29th March 2011 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Dan (Post 938554)
I confronted him on personal messages on youtube and he claimed that he put 'a lot of effort in, just look at my megaman vids, im obviously a pro'. then goes on to say that i could do it too if i tried and learned the methods; So i was very sure to explain to him that i've been playing these games for 208x as long as him and invented half the methods he's using in his videos. He had no response.

He sounds full of himself, do you mind posting the reply when he gives one?

Jacky Durand 29th March 2011 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Dan (Post 938554)
I confronted him on personal messages on youtube and he claimed that he put 'a lot of effort in, just look at my megaman vids, im obviously a pro'. then goes on to say that i could do it too if i tried and learned the methods; So i was very sure to explain to him that i've been playing these games for 208x as long as him and invented half the methods he's using in his videos. He had no response.

In speedrunning it's not a matter of time used on the game, but the execution.

Which methods was it you invented? Cause I don't see him using any other than Demon Lab Rats technique for HAG 1, which I gave him.

Dan 31st March 2011 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Jacky Durand (Post 938570)
In speedrunning it's not a matter of time used on the game, but the execution.

Which methods was it you invented? Cause I don't see him using any other than Demon Lab Rats technique for HAG 1, which I gave him.

He specifically said he used things like my terry two round method, and wonderwing on mingy that he read from this exact guide.


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