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8th March 2008, 06:48 PM
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Beta DK Item's N Area's.
This is some stuff I have found in the DK64 kiosk(beta) cosmetic modifier. Actually, as you will see in just a moment. This code is more of a "Active Item/Event" modifier for each level. First, let's start by watching the video below.
Beta Video Now, for those of you who have no clue about what I just showed you, let me help analyze the video. 0:00 - 0:29 : Notice the balloon? It's one of them beta life balloon's and they were collectable "on touch". Normal banana balloon's had to be shot in order to obtain the banana's from them. Also, take a good look at the room I am in. It also appear's to be beta. There are 2 row's of door's. Each kong has 2 door's with his/her picture on it. I'm not sure what those door's lead to, but they definetly go somewhere... 0:30 - 1:01 : Okay, so what's the point of showing us the mermaid's place? Well the first thing that's suspicious about this is that in the final version the scene value where this "mermaid room" take's place is actually the Kremling Hideout. The other thing, is that the mermaid herself isn't animated. Which could indicate that the area is incomplete, and was possibly scrapped/or moved in the final version. 1:02 - 1:11 : Before the noob's can say this has something to do with SNS because the color of the square's and question mark's. Sorry, this area is a room that was also in the final version of Crystal Cave's. At first, I was unsure as to why the full thing loaded, but I realized since the whole room rotate's it must actually be treated as an "active object" and not a Cosmetic Object. Still, it's pretty neat. 1:12 - End : I don't see how this escaped my 3d image modifier, but it appear's to be a 3d(!) banana medal. Unfortunately, I can't moonjump up there to see if it's collectable(hopefully someday) but that's what my guess would be. This scene take's place in the big hill in jungle jape's. The area that Diddy kong has access to before the minecart minigame. Okay cool, but most of you are probably like WTF happened to the level itself? Well, Subdrag mentioned that the Cosmetic's (which make up the actual level) value's might not be referenced in the Rom. That could mean they are still in the Rom but you would have to do some ASM to find them. Which is what I'm hoping to do at some point. Imagine, walking around the full level's in beta...sigh. That may be a while, as I'm pretty busy with other thing's. In the meantime I'll keep you up to date on other interesting discoveries. Just a list of what's to come... 1) Full Beta Menu Options 2) Active Object Loader (for stuff like the 3d banana medal, and life balloon) 3) Possibly full beta level's. 4) Hopefully I will be able to locate DK's house... Finally, for all you hacker dude's who like to use Nemu, and because it's the only Emu that will work with my code. Here ya go...don't forget to download my save state in the Attachment. You will need to load the save state, activate this code and then press the start button to be taken into the level. It will load up with the active object's for the scene you specified. Code:
Level's you can play: NP = Not playable F = Fully playable P = Partially playable (no cosmetics) B = Blank ?? = Scene Value V 1.0 8159319C 2004 815FE58C 2005 805FE58E 00?? 815C5690 2004 815C5692 00?? 815931B8 2005 815931BA 00?? 815931B0 2004 815931B2 00?? 815C8DFC 2004 815C8DFE 00?? 8159319E 00?? V3.0 815F5E5C 2004 815F5E5E 00?? 8159319C 2004 8159319E 00?? 8166815C 0C1F 8166815E FC00 817FF000 3C1B 817FF002 8073 817FF004 277B 817FF006 CDE4 817FF008 AF64 817FF00C AFA4 817FF00E 0018 817FF010 03E0 817FF012 0008 8FA5 0018 Tested with V1.0 0004 - P 0005 - NP 0009 - NP 000A - NP 000B - NP 000C - NP 000D - NP 000E - P 000F - NP 0010 - NP 0011 - NP 0012 - NP 0013 - NP 0014 - NP 0030 - P 0057 - P 0059 - F 005A - P 005B - P 005C - P 005D - P 005E - P 005F - P Tested with V2.0 & v3.0 0005 - P 0007 - B 0009 - B 0010 - P 0011 - P (Beta mermaid place?) 0012 - NP 0013 - P 0019 - P(Candy music store) 001A - P(Frantic Factory) 0020 - NP 0021 - P 0022 - P (Gloomy Galleon Boss) 0023 - B 0024 - P 0025 - P 0026 - P (Angry Aztec level) 0027 - B 0029 - B 002A - P (Troff N Scoff) 002B - B 002C - B 002d - B 002E - B 002F - B 0030 - P 0031 - P 0032 - P (Beta room) 0033 - P 0034 - P 0035 - NP 0036 - P/Laggy 0036 - B 0038 - P 0039 - P 003A - P 003B - P 003C - P (Fungi forest Spider Boss, fully playable) 003D - P 003E - P 003F - P 0040 - NP 0042 - NP 0045 - NP 0046 - B 0047 - P 0048 - P (Crystal Caves) 0049 - NP 004A - NP 004B - NP 004C - P 004D - NP 004E - NP 004F - NP 0052 - B 0055 - P 0059 - F 005A - P 005B - P 005C - P 005D - P 005E - P 005F - P 0060 - NP 0061 - P 0062 - B 0063 - NP 0064 - P 0065 - NP 0066 - NP 0068 - NP 0069 - P 006A - B (Choppy Lag) 006B - B 006C - P (Just exploding ooze.) 006D - B 006E - P (Dk Barrel minigame) 006F - B (???) 0071 - P 0072 - P 0073 - NP 0074 - NP 0075 - NP 0076 - NP 007A - NP 007B - NP 007C - NP 007D - NP 007E - NP 007F - NP 0080 - NP 0081 - B 0082 - B 0083 - NP 0084 - NP 0085 - NP 0086 - NP 0087 - NP 0088 - NP 0089 - NP 008A - NP 008B - NP 008C - NP 008D - NP 008E - NP 008F - NP 0092 - NP 0093 - NP 0094 - NP 0095 - NP 0096 - NP 0097 - P (Not listed in final version scene list!) 0098 - P 0099 - P 009A - P (Jack in the box boss, partly playable) 009B - NP 009C - NP 009D - NP 009E - NP 009F - NP 00A2 - NP 00A6 - B 00A7 - B 00C1 - B 00C4 - B 815C5690 2004 =========================================================================== ========================================= Cosmetic Only Research. *This section is to study the ASM and find out how the COSMETIC's are actually loaded into a scene. 80593168 LW A1, 0xCDE4(A1) Load current scene value into register A1. 80603D30 SW A1, 0x0044(SP) Store Current scene value to memory at 0x807111FC <----------Branch 1 sub0-------------> 80603DE8 LW A1, 0x0044(SP) Load Current scene value from memory at 0x807111FC into register A1. 806041AC SW A1, 0x004C(SP) Store Current scene value to memory at 0x807111BC <--------Branch 1 sub1-------> 806041B8 LW T6, 0x004C(SP) Load Current scene value from memory at 0x807111BC into register T6. 806041c4 sLL t0, t6, 0X2 Perform Shift Left Logical. 806041D4 SW T6, 0x003C(SP) Store Current scene value to memory at 0x807111AC. 806041d8 ADDU T1, T9, T0 Addition command. (!)806041DC LW T2, 0x0000(T1) Load Value from 8049F200 + T0. Value MAY be important.(!) 806042D8 LW V0, 0x003C(SP) Load current scene value from memory at 0x807111AC into register V0. 80603DFC SW V0, 0x002C(SP) Store Current scene value to memory at 0x807111E4 <--------Branch 1 sub2-------> 8060427C LW T4, 0x004C(SP) Load Current scene value from memory at 0x807111BC into register T4 8060428C SLL T2, T4, 0x2 Perform Shift Left Logical. <----------Branch 2 sub0-------------> 80603E3C LW T5, 0x0044(SP) Load Current scene value from memory at 0x807111FC into register T5. <----------Branch 3 sub0-------------> 8060409C LW A1,0x0055(SP) Load Current scene value from memory at 0x807111FC into register T5. |
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8th March 2008, 07:23 PM
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Wow, nice work. I wonder, would the beta Fridge show up in DK's house? Or would it be too far back in developement? Anyway, this is great, Rune, I can't wait to see the results of this. :thumbsup
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8th March 2008, 07:40 PM
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I'm willing to bet that Dk's house has to be another scene digit. If so, it's probably one of the digit's with a (B). Which mean's that something with my code(v3.0) must skip over a command that load's the active object's for that level. I haven't figured that out yet, but I hope to soon. Also, one more mystery I hope to unlock. If Jungle Japes boss was the armadillo from Crystal Cave's, then who would the boss of Crystal Cave's have been. One way I could explain this is that in the kiosk they decided to use the second armadillo boss just so player's would have more of a challenge. |
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8th March 2008, 07:49 PM
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Thats cool! Is there anything in particular u want testing?
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8th March 2008, 07:55 PM
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Not at the moment, I'm still trying to figure out why Project64 won't work with this code. It work's fine in nemu though. If you want, you could have a look around crystal cavern's(active objects) in Nemu.
At the moment, I will probably do some sort of compare hacking between the Final Version and the Kiosk Version's menu system. I'm hoping that since this is beta, there may be a working debug menu in there  .
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8th March 2008, 08:31 PM
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8th March 2008, 08:55 PM
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That was really interesting. Good work there, I'm looking forward to more findings.
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8th March 2008, 10:24 PM
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ZOMG 1:02 HAVEZ STUPZ N SWUPZ CAUSE IT HAVEZ QUEZTION MARKZ N SNS COLORZ LOLOLOLOLOL
Seriously talking, why can't you moon jump to the banana medal?
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9th March 2008, 02:43 AM
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By the way, I've made some progress on porting the code over to Project 64, give me a day and I should have a working version. I've made some progress on hacking out the active object modifier as well. It may be some time before I finally figure it out though. Quote:
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9th March 2008, 07:57 AM
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Hey that balloon you collected at the start is exactly like the balloons you have to pop in the mini-games in BT, I was just doing the Witchy World jumping castle mini-game about 5 minutes ago and I realised that the balloons I was shooting eggs at were simply coloured versions of the balloon in that you popped in that video!
Probably, no correction, definitely nothing, but it's still cool that they were used for something right?
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9th March 2008, 10:19 PM
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Little update, I got some of the code to work in Project 64. Basically, just the active object's. No characters yet. I'll also post the cosmetic modifier.
Cosmetic Modifier: ?? = scene digit 81593168 2005 8159316A 00?? 81605AE4 2005 81605AE6 00?? 815FE4E4 2005 815FE4E6 00?? 51 = Test map Active object loader code: 815931B8 2005 815931BA 00?? `Loads level object's, but not enemy's. I'll need to port the event modifier to PJ64 as well. I found a strange beta area. It's the same scene digit as the "Lanky, on a way to a boss". I think it may be some area in Kremling hideout. When you enter it with everything activated (except cosmetic's) this strange machine type wall load's with the camera rotating around it. |
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10th March 2008, 03:10 AM
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great job Run, I tried 03 on the active object mod and there were 2 tiny kong warp pads. 06 is AWESOME too!
0016 has a banana medal that you can collect. It fully works too. It's weird though, since originally there was a banana bunch there in the final version. Maybe in the beta there were no bananas, just banana medals, or possibly banana's were just used to open the boss doors, and banana medals weren't related at all and were just used as separate collectibles. Last edited by Maniac; 10th March 2008 at 12:00 PM. |
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11th March 2008, 12:53 AM
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You know what, after reading the Snide's text, I just came up with an interesting theory. Check this out.
In the kiosk rom, if you load up Snide's HQ he will explain that if you bring him enough blueprint's he can tell you the "Big Gun's" weak-point's. In the final version he say's that he will give you more time to de-activate the gun. This draw's me to another point. We see that the big collectable Banana Medal's were used in each level(likely 1 for each kong). If you didn't have a time-limit then that could change the whole level. My theory, is that you had to actually battle the big Gun machine, and Snide would help you by telling you it's weak-point's. I found a scene digit (beta) that load's up a cut-scene. The camera center's on something that look's like a big machine. Mysteriously this scene digit in the final is (001C - On the way to a boss (Lanky)). Just a theory for now I guess. Anyway's I was able to port a modifyed version of the other code. This one will load up enemy's, object's, and level event's. Try it on the Frantic Factory Boss. However, it doesn't work in every scene so I'll have to fix it up a bit. Code:
815931AC 2004 815931AE 00?? 815931B8 2005 815931BA 00?? 81621648 2004 8162164A 00?? 81621688 2004 8162168A 00?? 81621718 2004 8162171A 00?? 815c8f00 2005 815c8f02 00?? 81621740 2004 81621742 00?? 81593208 2004 8159320a 00?? 81593210 2005 81593212 00?? 815bc7c4 2010 815bc7c6 00?? 8166e054 200B 8166e056 00?? 81667504 2010 81667506 00?? 81593260 2005 81593262 00?? 81691B44 2004 81691B46 00?? 81691B50 2005 81691B52 00?? 81695594 2004 81695596 00?? 81593324 2009 81593326 00?? 81593370 200C 81593372 00?? 815933B4 2004 815933B6 00?? 815934DC 2004 815934DE 00?? 816D23B4 2004 816D23B6 00?? 8166E054 200B 8166E056 00?? |
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11th March 2008, 05:22 AM
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i dont think you would have fought the gun
i mean, its a big stationary object, id say you might destroy the gun in the process of fighting the boss (maybe blowing bits off it to land on the boss, or you make the boss accidentally attack it them self...) but i dont really know... just i don't see how you could 'fight the gun'...
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15th March 2008, 04:41 PM
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