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View Poll Results: Is shadow the hegehog...
The ultimate life form 16 42.11%
still alive (never died) 16 42.11%
a robot 10 26.32%
a clone 12 31.58%
toast 24 63.16%
a weirdo mutant hedgehog 10 26.32%
A black stereotype (think about shadow the hedgehog game) 15 39.47%
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Old 1st March 2009, 01:18 AM
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Sonic with a sword...
Yeah... I really don't know what to say to these "Storybook" based games... I guess it's like Nuts & Bolts- characters are taking acting like roles- and Sir Lancelot happens to be the role Shadow's taking in this...
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PROTIP: Eggman was supposed to be Robotnik's name in the first place. The western world just decided to change it for whatever reason.
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PROTIP: Eggman was supposed to be Robotnik's name in the first place. The western world just decided to change it for whatever reason.
Yes, but I grew up with the name Robotnik, and as such I refuse to change my thinking now.
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Actually Sega retconned that, in Adventure 2 he's called Robotnik, with the nickname "Eggman"
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Weldar-Kazooie in the story book series they all take different roles. Shadow is lancalot, tales is a queer, and amy is the lady of the lake.
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Old 1st March 2009, 02:31 AM
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Weldar-Kazooie in the story book series they all take different roles. Shadow is lancalot, tales is a queer, and amy is the lady of the lake.
Dont forget Knuckles as Sir Gawain, Blaze as Percival, and Silver, who's role in the story is yet to be revealed

And yea, I know its a whole story-book based theme with these wii games, but the point still stands that they're just ruining Shadow with the constant changes
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PROTIP: Eggman was supposed to be Robotnik's name in the first place. The western world just decided to change it for whatever reason.
Dr Ivo Robotnic is his real name, eggman was his nickname given to him because of the major role an egg had in creating him from Dr Ovi Kintobor, as well as sonic from his brown original version into the blue speed-hog of today.

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Er... As far as I understood, Black Doom or whatever assisted Robotnik's grandfather (I refuse to call him Eggman, by the way) in creating the Ultimate Life Form- first that Bio-Lizard as a test and then Shadow. Then Shadow went and saved everyone from the falling doomsday devise in Adventure 2. He was supposed to have died or something, but he didn't actually, but he forgot everything. Just in time for Black Doom to help regain his memories. The link between him and Maria was I think that she treated Shadow like an actual being and not an experiment. As for Sonic Heroes, I think Robotnik or his grandfather had a bunch of redos or previous attempts at creating/recreating the Ultimate Life Form.
Pretty much that, except Sonic Heroes was before Shadow the Hedgehog on the timeline, so the Shadow from Heroes was just Shadow from his own game, not a clone... although, there is the possibility that Shadow from Heroes was a clone of the Sonic Adventure Shadow.
Shadow the Hedgehogs game was made to smooth out the bumps in his story, but it just went horribly wrong.

Edit: "a black stereotype"? I dont think that could be any further away from what Shadow is.
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Dr Ivo Robotnic is his real name, eggman was his nickname given to him because of the major role an egg had in creating him from Dr Ovi Kintobor, as well as sonic from his brown original version into the blue speed-hog of today.



Pretty much that, except Sonic Heroes was before Shadow the Hedgehog on the timeline, so the Shadow from Heroes was just Shadow from his own game, not a clone... although, there is the possibility that Shadow from Heroes was a clone of the Sonic Adventure Shadow.
Shadow the Hedgehogs game was made to smooth out the bumps in his story, but it just went horribly wrong.
Confusion.
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Confusion.
Which part? Im assuming the first, noone gets it. Allow me to ellaborate

Sonic the hedgehog was friends with a scientist, Dr Ovi Kintobor, who was an inventor. Kintobor invented a pair of shoes which allowed the wearer to travel at incredible speeds while wearing them, Sonic the Hedgehog tested them out in his lab. However they needed something from the labs fridge so Kintobor went to get it, but only found a rotten egg which he picked up to throw into the garbage. Kintobor tripped on a hanging wire and fell over, the egg flew into the machine sonic was testing the shoes on, and a massive explosion caused by the egg converted Dr Ovi Kintobor into Dr Ivo Robotnik, giving him the personality we now know, instead of a happy, caring scientist. Sonic the hedgehog combined with his power sneakers and turned blue, capable of running amazing speeds even without his sneakers on.
Now, there is another part of the story later on, during the rise of the brotherhood of Metallix (a form of metal sonic) when in order to remove their self distruct chips, the metallix travel back through time to remove the rotten egg from Kintobors fridge, therefor erasing Robotnik (and sonic) from time and allowing the metallix to prosper (note: Robotnic created metallix, so really, they were being stupid). Sonic travelled back with them and stole the egg, putting it in the fridge himself and also tripping Kintobor by pulling a wire as he walked over it, resulting in him creating both Robotnik and Himself in the process, because even though Robotnik is his enemy, the brotherhood of Metallix posed a much greater threat and only he could stop them.
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Confusion.
He's trying to say that Sonic Heroes happened before the Shadow the Hedgehog spin-off, meaning that the Shadow from the Heroes game was the actual Shadow, not a clone or robot, unless he was a robot or clone from the Sonic Adventure 2: Battle Shadow.

He's also saying that the Shadow the Hedgehog spin-off was meant to clear Shadow's past, to make his story clear, though it didnt work out the way they inteded.
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Ok, heres the whole Shadow story.

1. Gerald Robotnic, supposedly Ivo's grandfather, but looks suspiciously like Kintobor, creates the ultimate lifeform, but cannot refine it to be perfect (biolizard is created now).
2. The Black Comet comes to earth and Gerald asks Black Doom for assistance in creating him so Black doom gives him his "perfect" blood in return for the seven chaos emeralds when the Black comet returns 50 years in the future.
3. Shadow is born and is befriended by Maria, granddaugter of Gerald, and sister of the commander with the crazy eye. They fall in love and Maria asks Shadow to make the people of earth happy with his perfectness.
4. G.U.N invades the space colony ark (which is where they were by the way) due to the threat of the artificial chaos on board, in the madness they kill Maria. Naturally shadow becomes enraged and passes out (who hasnt?)
5. 50 Years later, Geralds grandson, Ivo Robotnik tries to use the space colony arks weapon against the earth in another attempt for power, he calls upon Shadow the Hedgehog, who was in cryostasis in a fortified G.U.N base. Shadow and rouge steal the chaos emeralds to power the Eclipse cannon on the ark.
6. Once the Eclipse cannon has all the chaos emeralds a program initates which hurls the colony at the earth to shatter it to peices. Sonic and Robotnik team up to place the master emerald in the core, which would neutralise the chaos emeralds powering the cannon. In the core the prototype ultimate life form awakens and Shadow battles it, but when it realises the chaos emeralds are being disabled it attaches itsself to the ark to keep it heading towards the earth. Shadow and Sonic destroy the Biolizard and chaos control the ark back into safe orbit, but Shadow, feeling that his promise is fulfilled falls to the earth and "dies".
7. In sonic heroes, Rouge finds Shadow in one of Robotniks bases, but he can't remember anything about his previous life. He does remember about Maria and the ark however.
8. Omega suspects Shadow to be a robot, but ultimatly doesnt destroy him because he "could be the original".
9. At the beginning of Shadow the hedgehog, the Black Comet returns to eath and Black Doom requests the seven chaos emeralds from Shadow, who doesnt remember being told to find them (and was actually never informed that this would happen by Gerald). The correct game plot is the hero one, which puts Shadow on the Comet at the end.
10. Black Doom basically says that Shadow is his son, However team chaotix transmits a video to Shadow explaining what he is by Gerald Robotnik. Gerald knew the threat of the Black comet, so he asked black doom for some of his DNA to create the ultimate lifeform, an ultimate weapon capable of destroying the black arms threat , which was Shadow.
11. Shadow kills black doom, which proves that Shadow from Sonic Adventure 2 didnt die, but simply fell to the earth (hell, it happened in unleashed) and also the Shadow was always the ultimate life form.

So essentially Shadow was created by Gerald as a weapon to destroy the Black Comet, using the DNA from the previously most powerful being in the universe, black doom. Shadow was always fated to kill black doom.

Hope that explains to you exactly what Shadow is. The answer is the ultimate life form, he was never a clone or a robot, just always Shadow.

Edit: by the way, I am an obsessed Shadow fan, I even got my hair done black and crimson. There are pictures in my profile XD
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...Holy Diver. That plot is more convoluted than Vanilla Sky.
Well like I said up there somewhere /\
Nobody really knew what was going on with shadow until right at the end, when it finally all makes sense. But most people still didnt understand it unless it's put like I put it, then it actually makes sense.

Off-topic: Vanilla sky = freaking win

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