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Old 21st July 2023, 05:25 AM
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I mean, I guess I just don't understand why you can't just be like, "no, screw you, I can do this on my own" if the help guides come up (which is how I responded to the Super Kong guide in Donkey Kong Country Returns). I don't think you have to put "optional" in quotes when it literally is an option.
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If you feel like a sucker for not skipping content, are you actually enjoying the game?
It's about intrinsic vs. extrinsic motivation. If you play games for fun, and beating tough challenges is fun, then it's easy to just ignore the Super Guide/Kong/whatever.

Personally, I'm very goal-oriented. Fun isn't the point, it's a product of meeting my goals. So if a thing pops up that lets me meet those goals effortlessly, and I know I'm not going to miss out on any rewards if I grab it, it's much harder to ignore. Toughing it out instead of hitting the block feels a little bit like saying, "No thanks, game. Keep your winning lottery ticket. I'll stick with my crappy nine-to-five."

Super Kong vs. New Funky Mode is actually a great case study on this, imo. The Super Kong is hoist on you without your consent, which is condescending ("Here, scrub, we made a virtual big brother to beat the hard parts for you"), and makes an annoying noise that doesn't go away until you either accept or beat the level. New Funky Mode asks if you want Funky on your file and never bugs you about it again if you say no.

Dunno if that makes sense to anybody else, but there ya go.

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When I was a young lad, after getting a couple of worlds in, I put in JIGGYWIGGYSPECIAL in Banjo Tooie to just get to the boss fight at the end. It's not that I didn't enjoy the game because of the existence of the cheat, but I used the cheat because I didn't enjoy the game.
You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
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Old 21st July 2023, 03:16 PM
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You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
Nonsense! I played less Banjo Tooie as a result. That's a win.
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Old 21st July 2023, 06:43 PM
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Old 21st July 2023, 08:50 PM
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Old 21st July 2023, 08:57 PM
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Old 21st July 2023, 09:30 PM
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I feel genuinely sad for people who can't appreciate Banjo-Tooie. Like the man said, it make Banjo-Kazooie look like joke.
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Old 22nd July 2023, 02:13 AM
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Old 22nd July 2023, 03:57 AM
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I feel genuinely sad for people who can't appreciate Banjo-Tooie.
That's how I feel about Super Mario Sunshine.
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Old 23rd July 2023, 09:49 PM
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As time moved forward, the world forgot. All that gave us meaning left in the dust.

They found new battles to fight. New wars to wage.

But still I clung to it in my heart. That glittering spark. That fire that could light my way forward no matter how many years go by.

As time passed us by, the world forgot. But I never forgot. I never forgot to argue about whether Banjo-Tooie is a good game or not. I never forgot what gave my soul its light.
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Old 23rd July 2023, 09:59 PM
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Old 24th July 2023, 04:48 AM
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Me when I look in the bathroom mirror every morning as part of my 2 hour daily warm up followed by open palm slamming a Banjo Kazooie promo VHS into the VHS and right then and there start doing the moves alongside with the main character, Jon Lovitz. I do every move and I do every move hard. Makin whooshing sounds when I slam down some Gruntling bastards or even when I mess up technique. Not many can say they had Mumbo Jumbo fun on Mumbo's Mountain. I can. I say it and I say it out loud everyday to people in my college class and all they do is prove people in college class can still be immature jerks. And I've learned all the lines and I've learned how to make myself and my apartment less lonely by shouting them all. 2 hours including wind down every morning
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Too much collecting and I don't wanna beat the entire original Donkey Kong and a Jetpack game just to beat my 3d platforming game. Also not a fan of like 25% of the minigames but that all could just be me.

BUT atmosphere in Tooie and Kong 64 is TOP NOTCH bonkers balls to the walls crazy.

SFX, Music, the hub worlds, interconnectivity showing the state of one world IN ANOTHER WORLD.

I understand the challenge they were working with in having players navigate through the more complex worlds they were creating.
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